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Would it be as easy to swap a SR20VE inside a b15 as it would on a b14? I heard the b15 sr20de is almost as similar in design as the sr20ve. What would I need if I did get the SR20VE? I'm really interested because I'm coming up with some cash soon and it's either sr20det or ve.... Thanks
Originally posted by GQEmer Would it be as easy to swap a SR20VE inside a b15 as it would on a b14? I heard the b15 sr20de is almost as similar in design as the sr20ve. What would I need if I did get the SR20VE? I'm really interested because I'm coming up with some cash soon and it's either sr20det or ve.... Thanks
It will fit just like any other sr20det/de would fit. What would be hard is the ecu. I saw this new standalone system called SDS That might be worth a try rather then fool around with a ecu conversion for a JWT ecu. My local shop charges 1400 for the SDS and tuning.
Originally posted by 98sr20de Jim, I'm not feeling the love anymore. You lost that lovin feeling?
Not at all. I just think the majority of younger guys contemplating a swap would be much happier with tire smoking, tranny breaking power and the relative ease of going turbo vs. VE.
Lets face it, parts for the VE are hard to come by, ECU tuning is still not proven and the fact is I'm getting tired of hearing the same questions over and over again.
BTW, I scheduled my tuning session with Yoshio on Thursday June 20th. I'll be there for the day and then heading over to Mosport to run with Trackmasters Fri, Sat & Sun.
Originally posted by Shoes59
BTW, I scheduled my tuning session with Yoshio on Thursday June 20th. I'll be there for the day and then heading over to Mosport to run with Trackmasters Fri, Sat & Sun.
Great news. I know you will tell us all about it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Good luck.
So which one would I use for a B14? The EM-3 right? The ignition on the SR20Ve has a distributor. I think this might be easier than the current ecu's available. It also seems like it has optional add on's like RPM switches (use it for the valve timing).
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Originally posted by civicdragon So which one would I use for a B14? The EM-3 right? The ignition on the SR20Ve has a distributor. I think this might be easier than the current ecu's available. It also seems like it has optional add on's like RPM switches (use it for the valve timing).
All correct. You lose the VE distributor. The whole thing from what I understand runs with a map sensor, throttle position sensor and a temp sensor. You program everything else. Not a DIY project for tuning. Need a dyno. They do give a a base program to get the car started. This is all I know.
I have to agree with Steve all the way. SDS will save a lot of time and money. I will be running SDS on my Turbo SE-R. If any of you guys are intersted in getting SDS install you can call the shop BBA at 757.424.0200. Its only 1400 installed you can't beat that price.
1) If you want Swap info. check out www.b15sentra.net and look for Trav4011.......he swapped a DET in his B15......its a lot harder than you think.....and stand alones are not always the best choice either..............
so take a look there, search thru the DET swap info and stuff, and ask questions. A VE in a B15 would be sweet indeed...........
Dude in my opinion I think what SDS is the easiest Stand Alone you can install. I had so many problems with JWT ECu that I just went SDS. Some people have had a lot of luck with JWT I havn't. I think that since JWT has not made a good image for the ECU that any doing a VE swap should try it. In my own opinion.
Originally posted by Commander Lex Dude in my opinion I think what SDS is the easiest Stand Alone you can install. I had so many problems with JWT ECu that I just went SDS. Some people have had a lot of luck with JWT I havn't. I think that since JWT has not made a good image for the ECU that any doing a VE swap should try it. In my own opinion.
thanks for the suggestions.... I really, really, really want the sr20ve... as much as i want turbo.. the mpg would suck... My bro has a heavily modded gts and even with all my mods Hotshot CAI, Hotshot Headers, HKS Catback exhaust, UR Pullies, Flywheel, and Clutch... still can't hang with him. I gotten a 15.1 at the track this past weekend.
thinking of getting the s3 cams.. but i'm coming up with the money and just druel over the 187 hp and vvl.. like i said my bro just hands my ass to me every day... and i need some payback... well I'll just keep dreaming... I'll see my options.. but thanks guys
Originally posted by GQEmer thanks for the suggestions.... I really, really, really want the sr20ve... as much as i want turbo.. the mpg would suck...
Contrary to popular belief, MPG actually stays the same and sometimes goes up. The reason it goes down is because when you got turbo in your car you wanna boost a lot, especially when you first get it.
If any turbo owners are out there wanna fill in with this info...
DOnt let gas milage stop you, cause thats the least of the expenses involved with a turbo car.
mpg goes up in most cases. most of the sr20ve`s are getting 25-27 mpg. turbo also gains gas milage because youu are producing the same hp/torque at a lower rpm which yeilds better mpg untill you crank the boost so hi it starts to go down because of the massive conumption of gas. anything that lets your car breath better usually means you are running more efficiently. thats why you would get more power out of the same displacement(best example is NA). turbo does the same thing as long as you stay in a happy turbo efficiency zone. if you put some wider, longer gears on a turbo car you would see more mpg at higher boost. because you make more use of the power that way. less is wasted.....but who wants a big turbo for fuel economy anyway....? silly people turbo`s not for the environment its for POWER!! hehe.
Originally posted by bigtom .....but who wants a big turbo for fuel economy anyway....? silly people turbo`s not for the environment its for POWER!! hehe.
HAHAH Yeah do you want good gas milage, or do you want to hand your bro his ass!!
Ok, this topic has gone from VE to DET and back to VE talk again... let's have an overall impression...
If we want major power with our B15's with the OBDII, what should he go with? VE or DET? Is a VET possible? FWD of course...
The VE has been talked of as similar and not needing too much to modify but the ECU... The DET is the almost the same actually...
We need to get a full summary so we know what the best route is...
Cost: VE or DET cheaper to get in there? And which is more expensive to upkeep say we GUN the car alot.
Efficiency: MPG, which is better?
Emissions: Both pass?
Power: Which has more power?
At the same cost I'm willing to go either way, leaning towards the VET for fewer turbo hassles, MPG, and emissions... But of course everyone will ask, "why didn't you go with the Turbo?"
First off, price seems similar. Initial cost for the VE is expensive, but remember, no turbo timer, IC, Piping, rebuilding of turbo, etc...
Also, slap the engine in, get Electronic engine management, SDS/JWT whatever, and you should be done right ?
Its as simple as it gets. I know for use B15 owners, there is some wirring to be done with the harness, but thats expected with anything, maybe simpler with the SDS actually.
Also (Jim will be happy about this, hehe) I dont want/need HIGH torque, tire burning powah.
Im a road course guy, and also might want to run in Sedan GT here in quebec next year. a JDM N/A engine is acceptable, turbo is not.
Oh and lastly. I can buy a cheaper SR16VE, and use my B15 SR20DE to stroke it
