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Old 06-11-2007, 01:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Piston slap or knock?

Okay I get the VE-T running but it runs rich and fouls plugs out. I get different plugs. The car seems to run good. Then I come back to my shop and the car sounds different at idle. Like a knocking noise coming from the top of the engine, but a knock. Not a valve noise this was something different. like loud piston slap coming from the top of the engine but like a knock.

I did a cylinder drop test to drop a cylinder to isolate the knock. No matter which cylinder was down it makes the noise. I have 60psi oil pressure at 1200 rpm cold idle, car was misfiring.

I pull the oil pans and girdle. The bearings look fine, a few small pieces of dirt but nothing serious. The rod bearings look fine. There are metal chunks in my oil pan that look like they are from a cast piece, not aluminum.

The crank surfaces are all smooth. So I look to the top of the engine where the noise was heard. The cam teeth are worn on the gear and the keyway is bent all to hell. The chain looks to have chewed up the gear from being misaligned. The chain looks fine. But the gears are loose. Both of them. Very loose. I tightened them down to the factory spec of 116ft lbs.

Now I am just hoping I can throw the thing together and do a compression test. I just pray I have not bent any valves. I guess this could throw out the cam timing and cause the car to run badly right? Something so amateur I should have double checked the torque on that but somehow in the engine build it got overlooked.

If that cam gear is loose that may have been the knocking noise I heard. It would explain why a cylinder drop didn't change the noise, and would explain why all the bearings are fine. Any input? Does anyone think I would have bent the valves?
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If that cam gear is loose that may have been the knocking noise I heard. It would explain why a cylinder drop didn't change the noise, and would explain why all the bearings are fine. Any input? Does anyone think I would have bent the valves?
Sorry to say, but yes you could have bent valves. Do a leak down in each cyl. before dissambly.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pop the valve cover and check to see if a shim poped out of and your getting rocker to retainer contact.
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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all shims are good. Compression test reveals the news. 150, 170,170, 60. So I will be buying a new head if this one is not salvageable. My cams are toast though. the cam gear wobbles up and down when the engine turns over.

Time to give Andre a call. haha. Well, now I can go big or go home. I have too much money invested to turn back now. But she will run again and make huge power when I am done.
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Was this stock cams and cam gears?
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well, stock cams and cam gears. I have never removed the cam sprocket from the cam... ever. So I have no clue how they came loose unless it was done during cleaning at the machine shop. So here is the plan. If the head has bent valves, I will buy a new motor and sell the block, and do a head swap. Unless someone can find a good VVL head.
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Old 06-15-2007, 09:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Okay I have some good and some bad news. The head looks to be fine but I won't know if the valves are bent until monday, I just did a quick check on the combustion chambers and I pulled 18psi on all the cylinders. Everything is ok so far. However, the cam was pretty messed up. I think the cam gear wobbling on the cam (up and down, not side-side) may have toyed with the compression readings. The cam gear would wobble up and down on the cam when the engine was cranking so I think it may have messed up the compression readings a little bit. So far the head looks completely salvageable.

The bad news. The cam gears are really messed up. The chain spun around and chewed up all the teeth on both. The exhaust cam itself was really chewed up, to the point that the cam may not be reuseable. Anyone sell cams? (charles?)

I could really use some bad ass valve springs while this head is off too. Maybe some Freaksprings or something. As far as the cam, I would really like to go with JWT cams but I don't know if or when they will be released. Charles is the VE guy so maybe???

There are some small things that may have to be done to get this thing perfect again. But given another grand or so this beast will be back better than ever.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Do you have spare cam gears? I have some de gears you can have if you need them.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, the cam got really chewed up. So I may just look into buying a whole new head if I can. I could keep this one for a spare, but there are a few things about it that bug me so I would like to start fresh. If I can find a head I will buy it. If not I will try and see who would be willing to sell just the exhaust cam, which isn't likely.

I don't know what I'll do yet. We will find out in the next couple weeks.
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