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Old 06-12-2007, 11:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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VE Header test done at last!

Ok I finaly got it done, due to the weirdness of the Superflow variable baseline dyno, please ignore the seemingly low peak hp figures as this would probably at least be 205 whp on a dynojet or JWT's Dynopack. I will get results on the best combo on a more normal dyno when I tune the thing.

As a recap, this is a bone stock bottom end SR20VE with an N1 intake manifold and N1 camshafts with JWT adjustable timing gears with the cam timing adjusted +5 on the intake and -5 on the exhaust. It has a JWT ECU with the program developed by Big Tom for Silver John. It has a Cobra MAF and a custom 3" CAI with a ram air box.



Run 55 is the Hotshot Gen 6 header as you can see the Gen 6 didnt do to bad, I think the variable cam timing nullifes some of the potential that the merged collector gives for bottom end power with really big fixed cams like the good old DE.

Run 57 is the SR20Turbofreak production header 4-1 32” 1.75 primaries, merged collector, no megaphone. It pretty much kills the Gen 6 until the last 700 rpm of the powerband. It has much more area undder the curve than the Gen 6. It makes the most midrange power and torque of all the combos.

Run 63 is the SR20Turbofreak custom header 4-1 25.5 primaries with two steps, 12.75” long 1.75" diameter, second step 12.75” long 1.875” diameter, Burns merged collector 2.385 venturi, megaphone with reverse cone. Suprisngly this didnt do all that great, the production header is slightly better.

Run 61 is the SR20Turbofreak custom header 4-1 25.5 primaries with two steps, 12.75” long 1.75" diameter, second step 12.75” long 1.875” diameter, Burns merged collector 2.25 venturi, megaphone with reverse cone. This is the winner, suprisingly the smaller venturi kicks ass everywhere, especialy on the top end. It makes about 7 more peak hp than the Gen 6 and more power just about everywhere else. This is the design using Burns X design softwear. Apparently X Design kicks ass much more than Mikes brain.

The moral of the story is that the guys at Burns are pretty smart, a lot smarter than any of us at this game.

Remember this is a load cell dyno and it loads the engine differently than a dynojet or a Dynopack depending on how its calibrated so its important to look at the comparison rather than the peak numbers.

I will tune on a normal dyno, put an underdrive pulley and probably get a few more hp out of this and I will post the results in a couple of weeks.

I am hoping for 210 bolt on hp at the least.
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the great comparo! At what RPM are you switching at?

Got any WAG on what the 2.5" SSAC "cheap Nissan guy" header would put out?

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Old 06-13-2007, 12:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the great comparo!

Got any WAG on what the 2.5" SSAC "cheap Nissan guy" header would put out?

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My WAG is 8-12 less hp than the Gen 6 on an engine with cams, on a stock engine it would be close to the same.

The 2.5" cheapo might be 6-8 less than the Gen 6.

The powerband would be way more narrow than the Chuck headers.
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Great work!

The street header seems like an awesome piece. Too bad about the top end though. Would shortening it slightly gain back the top end, or would that hurt the midrange too much?
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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On run 61 the winning header.Does this header have a megaphone with reverse cone.What are the measurements
Good testing comparising.Thanx
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the hard work guys. The actual Dyno HP numbers don't worry me as you can see the improvement your mods have made one by one and it's a decent hunk of power.

Interesting about the collector size, goes to show that bigger isn't necessarily better.

What size are the primaries on Fujis & how does the Fuji compare to the Gen VI?

Sigh... I want 4 into 1 now
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:52 AM   #9 (permalink)
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On run 61 the winning header.Does this header have a megaphone with reverse cone.What are the measurements
Good testing comparising.Thanx
I edited it so it is more clear now, sorry about that!
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Great work!

The street header seems like an awesome piece. Too bad about the top end though. Would shortening it slightly gain back the top end, or would that hurt the midrange too much?
It has a big 2.5" venturi, I wonder what scaling it down to a 2.25" would do?

Maybe that needs to be tested.
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Old 06-13-2007, 01:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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this is awesome. thanx for your hard work. its really nice to see that the $1200 headers are worth it after all.
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Old 06-13-2007, 02:07 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Awesome!!! Definately a big thanks from me!!!
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The straight 4 into 1 header will make big bottom end power.

This header was modeled after mine and I switch my cams at 4800 RPMs an this is the range where it will kill the others in Torque by 10 Lb Ft
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:46 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sweet man thanks for taking the time to help out the VE community!
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It would be interesting to see how the 20V header and Burns header would perform on that engine against the other headers.
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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SR20turbofreak, will you please pm me a price on a replica of the custom header that did the best, the one with the reversed megaphone and 2.25 collector, and a price on the production model. is the production models downpipe designed to be a bolt on to stock configured exhaust, same question for the custom unit?

mike, thanks a lot for doing all that tedious swapping and dynoing. your info is always top notch. do you think that you would still have gotten that power with the stock intake/tb? or do you think the N1 intake is finally pulling its weight with the extra mods in place.
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mike, thanks a lot for doing all that tedious swapping and dynoing. your info is always top notch.
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Fantastic work, and some worthwhile results.

I just wish that I had a 2l VE now...
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:20 PM   #18 (permalink)
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do you think that you would still have gotten that power with the stock intake/tb? or do you think the N1 intake is finally pulling its weight with the extra mods in place.

I think it now is helping but it would be too much time for me to take it off and retest everything all over again. I pretty much used up a lot of buddy favors to do all of this testing as it is.
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
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This header was modeled after mine and I switch my cams at 4800 RPMs an this is the range where it will kill the others in Torque by 10 Lb Ft

Andreas, my swtichover point is 5800 rpm. Should i reduce it to 5200? Chuck thinks it will help.
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It would be interesting to see how the 20V header and Burns header would perform on that engine against the other headers.
Here is some of my testing of the Burns header does against the 20V header on a DE with big C6M cams, it pretty much kills it.

http://www.sr20forum.com/all-motor/1...-header-5.html

The 20V was a little better than the Gen 6 on this same engine.

However the header works better on a DE than a VE because the header really shines at low rpm and the VE has low rpm optomized lobes so the header doesnt make as much difference down there.
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