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Old 03-30-2008, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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sr16ve to sr20ve

good day fellas,
something to share with,

i've done a recent upgrading from the sr16ve to a 2 litre machine, after 3 years running the sr16.

running in at the moment.
but i've found out the torquey part increased fair a bit.

yet to dyno due to the run-in session.

here's the spec:
sr16ve base engine

stroker kit from sr20de
conrod of sr20's
cometic head metal gasket
racing main bearings from australia's Tasmania (can’t remember the brand)
exedy clutch system
adjustable cam gears
sr16ve's stock cam
sr16ve's pistons, skimmed off 1mm.
upgrade injectors, from sr20det’s
port n polish head
teflon intake plenum gasket(i think the term was right)
jasma approved exhaust header
apexi's rsm
Greddy's e-manage piggyback
pivot shift light
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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good day fellas,
something to share with,

i've done a recent upgrading from the sr16ve to a 2 litre machine, after 3 years running the sr16.

running in at the moment.
but i've found out the torquey part increased fair a bit.

yet to dyno due to the run-in session.

here's the spec:
sr16ve base engine

stroker kit from sr20de
conrod of sr20's
cometic head metal gasket
racing main bearings from australia's Tasmania (can’t remember the brand)
exedy clutch system
adjustable cam gears
sr16ve's stock cam
sr16ve's pistons, skimmed off 1mm.
upgrade injectors, from sr20det’s
port n polish head
teflon intake plenum gasket(i think the term was right)
jasma approved exhaust header
apexi's rsm
Greddy's e-manage piggyback
pivot shift light
What makes up the stroker kit?

what rods did u use? de or ve

what other pistons can be sued instead of shaving the sr16ve piston?

What ecu are u using with the greddy? 16ve or 20ve?

What is ur new rev limit set at, even *** i know u r still running in motor?

Does the apexi rsm take out the speed cut?

Looking 2 do a similar project in the near future. Presently running a sr16ve and loving it so far.


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Old 03-31-2008, 09:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Nice spec, im still planning this for my car but will be very like yours but i will be starting with an SR16ve N1 as my base!

List:
SR20 eagle rods (lighter than standard)
SR20VE crank 4 cw (lighter than 8cw)
Fidanza lightweight flywheel
GSpec pulleys
Upgrade first 4 injectors(what did you use?)

Did you run into any prob with fuel pressure, upgrade fuell pump?

ECU wise i was thinking central 20 daughter board(or similar any suggestions??) or a Greddy emanage, how did you find the emanage, can you alter the speed limiter?

Pistons not too sure was thinking of using the sr20ve pistons which give a 10.3:1 in sr20ve so i need someone to help me work out the cr they'll give with an N1 head, i think the only difference is N1 head is shaved 1mm. Can someone help me with this???

I want to be running very close to 12:1 so was thinking of gettin a custom forged piston to lighten everything up again.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What makes up the stroker kit?
a used crankshaft from sr20DE, not from DET's.

what rods did u use? de or ve
sr20DE's

what other pistons can be sued instead of shaving the sr16ve piston?
i suppose forge piston from lots of other brand. my mechanic blew a couple of sr16ve engine till they succeded the r n d. he mentioned higher compression by shaving 1mm from the stock sr16's. to get a 12.8 : 1.

What ecu are u using with the greddy? 16ve or 20ve?
stock 16ve's, + Greddy's e-manage

What is ur new rev limit set at, even *** i know u r still running in motor?
8200rpm, follows back the stock sr16's.

Does the apexi rsm take out the speed cut?
yes, i had a test run on straight, reached 7k rpm on fifth gear, on stock sr16's gearbox ratio.

Looking 2 do a similar project in the near future. Presently running a sr16ve and loving it so far.

Great!
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Nice spec, im still planning this for my car but will be very like yours but i will be starting with an SR16ve N1 as my base!
List:
SR20 eagle rods (lighter than standard)
SR20VE crank 4 cw (lighter than 8cw)
Fidanza lightweight flywheel
GSpec pulleys
Upgrade first 4 injectors(what did you use?)

Did you run into any prob with fuel pressure, upgrade fuell pump?

ECU wise i was thinking central 20 daughter board(or similar any suggestions??) or a Greddy emanage, how did you find the emanage, can you alter the speed limiter?

Pistons not too sure was thinking of using the sr20ve pistons which give a 10.3:1 in sr20ve so i need someone to help me work out the cr they'll give with an N1 head, i think the only difference is N1 head is shaved 1mm. Can someone help me with this???

I want to be running very close to 12:1 so was thinking of gettin a custom forged piston to lighten everything up again.
List:
SR20 eagle rods (lighter than standard)
- wow! great stuff.
SR20VE crank 4 cw (lighter than 8cw)
Fidanza lightweight flywheel
- wow! great stuff.
GSpec pulleys
- my next upgrading.
Upgrade first 4 injectors(what did you use?)
- i m running on sr20det's injectors.

Did you run into any prob with fuel pressure, upgrade fuell pump?
- so far so good, fuel pump upgraded to bosch's.

ECU wise i was thinking central 20 daughter board(or similar any suggestions??) or a Greddy emanage, how did you find the emanage, can you alter the speed limiter?
- nope, e-manage only alter timing control, and air fuel, + the solenoid for neo's. might be other function, i m not too sure.

Pistons not too sure was thinking of using the sr20ve pistons which give a 10.3:1 in sr20ve so i need someone to help me work out the cr they'll give with an N1 head, i think the only difference is N1 head is shaved 1mm. Can someone help me with this???
- mate, u better check out on this, N1 is a very rare engine. i'll try n check out this from my mechanic, they might know, they only deals with nissan sr series.

I want to be running very close to 12:1 so was thinking of gettin a custom forged piston to lighten everything up again
- i m not sure of this, i was told my compression is now at 12.8 : 1. is that high?
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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even *** i know u r still running in motor?
oops, itchy legs. it's pretty torquey, dont fell like letting go my foot!

let go the throttle after reached +-7k rpm of course not always!***.

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Old 03-31-2008, 02:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You say sr20det injectors, off which model? S13,S14?

What litre bosch fuel pump is it?

The e-manage controls the solenoid for the neo, have you both cams kicking at same point or can the emanage control 2 points? What model e-manage did you go for?

That would be great if you could check out the what piston i should get. Your running great CR, high enough for plenty of power! I've read that anything below 13:1 is safe for street fuel.
Anything between 12-13:1 is what i want. Standard N1 is 11.8:1 so at least that anyway!!

Thanks
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I have 2 friend running SR16VE + 20VE crank rod and 16VE piston
not even shave it

running quite a time and no problem with it
even ignition advance till 27 degree also no problem
but using Haltech E6x instead of Piggy back


Well..
Have you seen a stock standard SR16VE with Emanage Reving up to 9k rpm ?
At Malaysia

There is a trick to do that but no point since the power band start to drop at 7200 rpm

The reason you want to go above 8500 is gearing ratio
the best rpm to shift is 8500 so your Exhaust cam keep opening

Which part of malaysia you at ?
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You say sr20det injectors, off which model? S13,S14?
- it's from a s13 sr20det's silvia's

What litre bosch fuel pump is it?
- i am so sorry mate, i am not sure. it was replaced long ago. but it's sufficient for the new set up now.

The e-manage controls the solenoid for the neo, have you both cams kicking at same point or can the emanage control 2 points? What model e-manage did you go for?
- both cams kicked in at the same time. i think it can control at 2 points as well, but the tuner told me sort of useless. i'll show you the dyno pic. the standard blue colour version, not the e-manage ultimate.

That would be great if you could check out the what piston i should get. Your running great CR, high enough for plenty of power! I've read that anything below 13:1 is safe for street fuel.
Anything between 12-13:1 is what i want. Standard N1 is 11.8:1 so at least that anyway!!
- okay, i'll get my mechanic to check it out.

Thanks
alright, cheers
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I have 2 friend running SR16VE + 20VE crank rod and 16VE piston
not even shave it
- hmm,, too technical for me mate.

running quite a time and no problem with it
even ignition advance till 27 degree also no problem
but using Haltech E6x instead of Piggy back


Well..
Have you seen a stock standard SR16VE with Emanage Reving up to 9k rpm ?
At Malaysia
- not sure mate!

There is a trick to do that but no point since the power band start to drop at 7200 rpm
- why dont you share it with us, we are still learning, haha!

The reason you want to go above 8500 is gearing ratio
the best rpm to shift is 8500 so your Exhaust cam keep opening
- please elaborate!

Which part of malaysia you at ?
- johore, southern part.

cheers mate!
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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dyno result

dear fellas,
here's my dyno reading yesterday.

188.6 front wheeled hp @ 7000rpm
150 ftlb @ 7000rpm
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^^^ Thats a really good figure, so i'd be looking at least 200 whell hp from N1 setup.

I'd appreciate it if you ask your mechanic about the cr of the N1 piston.
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dear fellas,
here's my dyno reading yesterday.

188.6 front wheeled hp @ 7000rpm
150 ftlb @ 7000rpm
on what dyno ?
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^^^ Thats a really good figure, so i'd be looking at least 200 whell hp from N1 setup.

I'd appreciate it if you ask your mechanic about the cr of the N1 piston.
hey mate,
asked them, and no one knows, cause they have only sort out a N1's exhaust issue once. no other comments on the N1 version as they have not mod or up stroked a N1 before.
what they commented on the N1 was the lack of torque, compared to the ones they've modded from sr16ve to 2L base.
i am so sorry, can't get you an answer to it!
ohh, i met them earlier today, they request me for the removal of center muffler, re-tune to sort the detonation issue at high rev, i should be getting +-200fwhp. wow, that's beyond me estimates!
cheers bro!

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on what dyno ?
dyno dynamics i supposed!
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188 is good result

2.0 vs 1.6 sure 2.0 win on torgue

KSR ?
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188 is good result

2.0 vs 1.6 sure 2.0 win on torgue

KSR ?
cheers.
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i think you are the one calling me for the gasket
since i remember 1 Johor guy calling for it before
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ahh, i think i can recall as well. i was about to get it from you, when my friend gave me a cometic's. so, it's all good. anyway, i will give you a ring for a few drinks in KL then.
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