Peanuthead

Do you regret or wish you had chosen a DE motor w/ something like C3 cams? Just curious. I'm going with a VE for my track car and was just wondering if other people went back and forth like I did. Thanks.

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eric96ser

Why? The SR16 cams are very close to the C3s. The C3s don't have the low end power the SR16 cams do. Its like having stock cams for just driving around, and C3s when you want to drive hard.

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oneSIX

haah i am with peanuthead i want the c3's. btw what is the cost diff of going ve+n1cam vs. de+c3's and mild head build??

Peanuthead

About the same pricing. Within about $200 if that. Here is what I figured:

Sr20ve motor - about $2000 shipped w/ 175 whp w/ bolton's
Sr16ve cams (if you want them) - about $400

Sr20de motor - $500 shipped
New C3 cams - $550
New springs, retainers, adjustable cam gears w/ installation - about another $750 if not more($500 in parts and $250 in labor)

After all of that is done maybe 170 whp. That is according to Mike K. and that is also assuming you have the new VE header, 3" exhaust and the other basic bolton's.

You have now just taped out (or near it) the power of a DE motor staying if you stayed all motor. The VE motor on the other hand has 175ish whp with basic bolton's. Add the new cams from JWT and it is possible that you could hit 220 whp with not too much money for the HP increase. Not to mention that the VE would be more streetable. I am only using it for a track car so streetability doesn't really matter to me other then the ocassional autox.

eric96ser

A VE with SR16 cams and other basic bolts ons, will be in the 185whp range. The cooling system on the VE is much better than the DE also, for track usage. The VE doesn't suffer from water pump cavitation, like the DE does.

Peanuthead

I'm in agreeance with you Eric. Not saying a DE is better then a VE, just wondering if anyone had second thoughts or if they would have done anything differently. I only stated "The VE motor on the other hand has 175ish whp with basic bolton's" not including cams. Adding cams would be an added benefit to the equation. Just comparing a fully decked out DE or a "low end" VE. It was just for comparison.

JustinP10

The VE will need an oil cooler setup for road course use. DE's don't seem to heat up the oil as much (but the VE's probably run cooler because they use oil to cool in addition to the coolant)?

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Dan_93SER

I don't regret it. My car is a daily driver, so having the stock idle and low-end driveability is important to me.

98sr20ve

Do we really know that for sure? What about a C3 car that is reving to 8K? Who has tested that on the track for 30 mins and reported back to us?

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oneSIX

what is the upper limit of revving the de with the springs cam gears and c3's?

FastNX

With the new discoveries about the mid to low end gains on the C3s, they are looking like the cam for me. I am currently building up a motor witha stock 9.5:1 bottom end, ported head w/ 3 angle valve job and ported JDM intake manifold, thermoblock spacers, 3 inch short ram CAI, UR pulley, no powersteering, no belt driven water pump, 2.5" Formula BMW side exhaust. It's going in my hardtop NX1600 with no power anything. The combo shouldweigh around 2100 pounds without driver. Unfortunately it will have S3s, and HS gen 5 until next winter when it will get the gen 6 and C3s. I think it will make for one killer track car. It should be on the road within 6 weeks

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san-man

No regrets here, it is all in what you want and what you are willing to pay for. With the VE you have the best of both worlds being that you are able to keep the driveablility for daily driving and the power for when you need it.

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white classic

I was regretting getting a VE, only because it wasn't any faster than my DE for some reason... still don't know why. But it sounded way cooler . It's dead now, of course (see sig).

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sr20sleeper

come on peanuthead, get the VE

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Peanuthead

I'm going VE. Now just trying to get the last $300 or so dollars together.

sr20sleeper

Hey man, do what you gotta do. If worst comes to worst, put on a wig and some heels and head down to church street. hahhahhaa you gonna go 20 or 16VE?

nathan

Peanuthead

The Sr20ve is only way to go baby! If I put on my heels and wig, will you come back home and see me!? J/K!

In case you don't know, Nathan and I go back a few years. He got me started into the Sr20 world and I got my first Se-r from him.

nj1266

I revved the piss out of the C3 cams back when they first came out. I was at racing school and beat on them very hard in 100 degree temps. No over heating at all. The car had all the bolt-ons and the C3 cams.

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nj1266

According to the latest from Kojima, they can rev to 8000 rpm.

nj1266

If you blow a VE on a track car your out $2,000; if you blow a DE your only out $300. That is my biggest worry about a VE engine in a race car. I blew up an engine in my race car and simply went out and bought TWO for $275 each. I still have the spare one in my garage.

If the price of a VE drops to around $600, then it will be more cost effective to put a VE in a race car.