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The crossmember has to be modified for a turbo or DET anyways.
It has to be completely eliminated, think about it, it would be in the way of the driveshaft that goes to the rear of the car. I had a GTI-R front clip in my garage and was able to inspect how all the mounting was involved if I had a garage and time I might have attempted it on a B13. I think the simplest way to do it would be cut the front off a B13 and weld the GTI-R Front on in its place. People dont realize that the rear shaft doesnt go completely down the middle of the car in fact its off set a little bit to run along side the exhaust. So you would have to make the tunnel a little wider not much ***. If anything I would try RWD before I would attempt AWD strictly for the fact that the AWD tranny sucks to get off there is bolts and brackets in places that were hard to get to with the tranny out of the car I couldnt imagine attempting it in the car. The simplest way to be able to change the clutch or tranny for that reason since I hear they arent much beefier than the standard B13 tranny would be to pull the motor. Yeah I know clutches dont go out often, but its still a hassle.
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Oh and you also have to be willing to send a B13 to its grave if you have to abort the project. Maybe one day ill attempt it but as of right now I lack the welding skills and funding, college tuition sucks.
please, let this thread die! AWD or RWD will never be accomplished! people just talk. there has been a bounch of people on this thread that said 'yeah im gonna do this' but a month or two later they said 'oh well i changed my mind'.... its never gonna happen! die thread, die! lol
it wont work in the b15... already asked the pros at idaho speed.. they do alot of sr20 work.. he told me i would not have any room for the transferbox out of the GTi-R trannie.. so i dunno.. kinda sucks. i wanted to do it soo bad!!
Ok, so everyone wants what they can't have..a 15 year old AWD Nissan Hatchback!!?? Including me! The chop and weld approach would be the easiest I think. $ 2000-2500 for a Gti-R nose off ebay + 500 shipping to your door (includes new gas tank, $500 for the rear-diff, brakes, shafts, and carrier shipped. Figure$500 in misc to get it all to fit right and wired up. Plus however much you want to spent building up all those parts (engine, clutch, cv shafts, driveline, brakes, exhaust, fixing the interrior) to actually be able to drive it down the road, let alone race it. Hope your fluent in Japanese if anything breaks because none of the manuals are written in English. I figure a NX could be done anywhere from $4500 plus, depending on modds. Probably 6-8K for one worthy of driving the street. (see my NX2K at www.autosportsnorthwest.org 05 gallery Rallycross#1)
A guy I know has a Gti-R that was shipped to him in two pieces (cut in half) from Japan because it could be called "car parts" to clear customs. He has had it for a few years and it can't be registared for street as of yet, so it gets trailered to events. He said expect to pay 15K to repeat what he did. I saw a GTi-r for sale in CA for 5K a few years ago, it was rally prepped. And recently one in Portland for 8-9K. They sell for 3K and up on the UK and Ireland markets plus shipping and customs.
Currently you can import any car for a year if you post a bond equal to the cars value and ither make it compliant, export it, or destroy it within that years time. Then you will get your $$$$ back, if not customs will save you the trouble and crush it for you. It's too bad the US has a 25 year customs lock on importing cars. So in just a short decade or so you will be able to legally buy one! If there are any left. I just found out that Canada's restriction is only 15 years. Do the math and you will see that you can go buy one today in Vancouver BC for 8K plus, depending on quality. http://www.terra2imports.ca/
Currrently looking into "kit-car" rules and regulations for a "loop hole". It's just not fair that anybody can built and registar just about anything they can dream up (hot rods, trikes, "monstertrucks" (44 inch mudders are scary), fiberglass kit cars, volkwagen bugs, origional mini, fords in general, 200+mph motorcycles ect...) as long as it intended for sale in the US. Or it passes specific guidelines (still researching, will post results).
We should be petitioning the import laws for cars to include an entheusist or tuner clause for the select few of us who want to play with and drive these cars. Joe public has no interest in owning these cars, and since the law was intended to keep poeple from buying cheap used overseas cars instead of what was avaliable in the states, thus undermining the economy, bla bla bla... (Big goverment hard at work!) Like 10,000 (thinking high #s) imports a year would even put a demple on the car market, mose of us would buy one as second car anyway. Wouldn't this stimulate the economy, create jobs, and make America a better place?
Anyway I guess I will just have to suffer along in my 05 STi until I crack the code.
Thanks for listening.
After reading your post..... I listened and listened..... but I didnt hear anything? Just a click? What are we supposed to be listening for?
However, I did READ your post and sounds like you have been doing your homework. Very nice. Unless you are over obsessed about the GTiR and plan on having sex with it when it gets to the states, I say move on. Its not worth all that sh*t. The best there is right now is just to get the GTiR motor throw it in one of the b-series chassiss, and make sure it has a limited-slip. (I say this because I own a 99) Thats the best to do for now.........
OR... wait about a year until Nissan unveils what I think will be a 2007 or 2008 Versa SE-R. (The white Sport Concept car we have all seen pics of.)
Im anticipating an AWD, Force inducted MR20 or QR25!
It's actually easier than you think to get cars. Check out TurboVisions.com or EvolutionImports.com EI is in the Orlando/Daytona area and sells street legal imports from FTOs, Skylines, RHD Supras, Silvias, Toyota Aristos, 22B STi, Tommy Mackinin Evo 6.5, and GTi-Rs. The guy that owns EI is currently tring to sell his daily driver GTi-R for $11k, its a beautiful car. You just have to look around and find what you are looking for. It is better if you buy something they already have in stock, for money reasons.
In my opinion, the B12 wagon or U12 Bluebird (Stanza) would be a good starting point for AWD on the B13 chassis. Then from there you can try the RNN14 or S13/S14, Z32 setup. For the S/Z setup you will have to shorten the control arms and custom make your own mounts on the B13 car to accept the bolting points from the S/Z rear cradle. Even a first gen Q45 or Skyline rear is almost identical, but beefier parts to move a big ass car.
If someone has connections to junk yards in Japan, they can get the AWD off the B13 Sunny. Yes they have an AWD option for the B13 in Japan only. They sit up like a rally car, but that would be the best bang for the buck and easiest to replicate.
The Versa is already out around the world badged as the Tiida. Check out www.Impul.co.jp/ and look at all the stuff they have for the Tiida/Versa. Superchargers, brake kits, ECUs, suspenion, bodykits, exhaust. Impul specializes in everything Nissan on the Eastern hemisphere.
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Last edited by NissanEgg : 02-15-2006 at 11:59 AM.
Import an AWD G20 (Nissan Primera) and then import a GTI-R engine/gearbox swap it in and you have a AWD turbo sedan that will rip most evo's and WRX's with a little work and it looks damn fine.
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After reading your post..... I listened and listened..... but I didnt hear anything? Just a click? What are we supposed to be listening for?
However, I did READ your post and sounds like you have been doing your homework. Very nice. Unless you are over obsessed about the GTiR and plan on having sex with it when it gets to the states, I say move on. Its not worth all that !
I guess you fell asleep by the ending
" (sarcastically) suffering along in my 05 STi"
"That's a joke, son. A flag waver. You're built too low. The fast ones go over your head. Ya got a hole in your glove. I keep pitchin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em. Ya gotta keep your eye on the ball. Eye. Ball. I almost had a gag, son. Joke, that is." Foghorn Leghorn
There WAS a guy here in Trinidad with a b13 that had the pulsar's engine the sr20det four throttle(gtir swap) and i believe they took the pulsars suspension and made it awd. (could be wrong about that) but i know it was defintely awd
He did the swap at a garage not to far from me , that car used to lauch like a crazy bitch!! the front fender would lift about 5 inches off the tyres and the back would scrap the ground!
he did low 13's no mods. *** swap and go.
Unfortunately when he used to lauch the car was extremely hard to control and he ended up wrecking the beast.
i've seen him kill alot of evos and subarus that dont have their sh*t in order
the subabru got him on the launch that time but he still beat him in the end
Are there any possibilities in using the drivetrain from a Stanza AWD wagon? I've been thinking that for quite a while but I have no idea on the parts match-ups.
your post and sounds like you have been doing your homework. Very nice. Unless you are over obsessed about the GTiR and plan on having sex with it when it gets to the states, I say move on. Its not worth all that sh*t. The best there is right now is just to get the GTiR motor throw it in one of the b-series chassiss, and make sure it has a limited-slip. (I say this because I own a 99) 
Thats the best to do for now.........
