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Old 12-24-2006, 01:50 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I'd say keep it.. you're doing a bad ass job, and a nice write up.. i put this on my bookmarks. also if you have a chance can you take pics of your intercooler piping and routes, (or where can i get a similar set up) i had the one that crosses across the front and it takes away the washer fluid reservoir. I like the set up you have.. Keep it up, oh yeah on the A/C (i recently blew turbo seals awhile back) i took it off, bent it, and wrapped it in heat shield tape from trusty home depot, and it worked fine, it was a couple of centimeters off the J-pipe. - o
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Old 12-26-2006, 10:41 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I'd say keep it..
I appreciate the opinion, but I've made up my mind. I'm going to yank it out.

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you're doing a bad ass job, and a nice write up.. i put this on my bookmarks.
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if you have a chance can you take pics of your intercooler piping and routes, (or where can i get a similar set up) i had the one that crosses across the front and it takes away the washer fluid reservoir. I like the set up you have.. Keep it up, oh yeah on the A/C (i recently blew turbo seals awhile back) i took it off, bent it, and wrapped it in heat shield tape from trusty home depot, and it worked fine, it was a couple of centimeters off the J-pipe. - o
I'll take some pics for you when I have a chance, but here's a quick MS paint to show you how it's routed (red is piping, blue is where the radiator support was cut):



I honestly wouldn't recommend this setup (with AC at least). The cold side is great, but the hot side is awful. It's snaked around the fans and AC lines in a way that makes it nearly impossible to put together and take apart. It's making contact with the fans and AC lines in several places.

When I yank out the AC, I'm going to front mount the fans as pushers, which should free up plenty of room.

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Old 12-28-2006, 09:47 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:37 AM   #84 (permalink)
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A/C Delete and Pusher Fans

Well, lost about 40lbs today.



While the weight reduction is nice, my main reason is to clear the way for my divorced j-pipe. It also gives me lots of extra room in the engine bay. The pro’s simply outweigh the con’s.

I picked up a new alternator belt from NAPA. It’s made for a B13 Sentra SER without A/C.



It’s only four rib, but that’s fine for this application.



All was going smoothly until SNAP…



I broke the alternator adjustment screw. It must have somehow been weakened already because I wasn’t forcing it when it broke. It wasn’t really even tight yet. At least it didn't break off inside the adjustment block.

I spent about an hour on the phone calling various places around town, but there’s just nobody that stocks M8x1.25x150mm screws. I even checked the FSM to see if GA’s used the same bolt (I figured I could find a GA Sentra in a junkyard). I finally gave up and called my guy at the local Nissan stealership… Friday at the soonest, probably Monday.

Sooo I decided to focus my energy on something else. With the A/C condenser out of the way, I wanted to push mount my fans. I already have some nice FAL fans.



According to my research, the process was pretty simple. They could be push mounted by reversing the blades and reversing the positive and negative wires. The rest I figured out along the way. I’m not sure how other fans are set up, but this might help somebody out.

Here’s the underside of the fan.



They were nice enough to label the blades:



The blades are held in place with this clip:



It was pretty easy to remove. I just pried up with a screw driver and pulled the other end with pliers.



Here’s the post that the blades mount on with the clip removed. Note the little indentions in the brass piece surrounding it.



At this point I expected the blades to pop right off, but not so fast. It was going to take a good tug to get the blades off and I didn’t want to break the blades. I decided the best course of action would be to loosen the motor from the front of the fan and force the post through using a hammer and a punch.

The motor is held in place with three screws that require Torx bits. An allen wrench did the trick.



Once those screw were removed, the only thing hold the motor in place were the blades on the other side. I propped the fan between two boxes and put a towel underneath to catch the motor when it falls.



A few good whacks with a center punch and it came apart nicely. Here is the post without the blades:



The indentions in the brass piece on the blades lock into this pin. I flipped the blades over and reassembled everything.

I used some crimp connectors, shrink tube, and electrical tape to rewire the connectors. Then I mounted them up.





Since I don’t have an alternator at the moment, I couldn’t test them out, but I’ll do that before I drive around with them. I’m sure everything will be fine.

Anyhow, I'm back at it. Look for the divorced j-pipe to finally be installed very soon. I've also got some more really cool parts just sitting in the garage at the moment, so there's more good stuff to follow.

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Old 03-08-2007, 11:00 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Did you decide to cut the bracket for the alternator or did you order a non AC alt bracket?
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:10 AM   #86 (permalink)
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I could be mistaken but I would figure it's either or. Either flip the blades or the polarity. But like you said you can test it.. shoot I'd make up some wires and just plug em straight to the batterry real quick to see what they do.. be careful though.. once the fans kick on they have some hella torgue they'll trist right outta your hands.
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:45 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:58 AM   #88 (permalink)
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Are you planning to keep that whole A/C system? If not... May I inquire as to a price for the full package?

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Old 03-08-2007, 11:17 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Did you decide to cut the bracket for the alternator or did you order a non AC alt bracket?
The issue was only with the AC bracket, and they aren't connected. I'm not sure what you mean.

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I could be mistaken but I would figure it's either or. Either flip the blades or the polarity. But like you said you can test it.. shoot I'd make up some wires and just plug em straight to the batterry real quick to see what they do.. be careful though.. once the fans kick on they have some hella torgue they'll trist right outta your hands.
You know I started thinking about it... I even made a mock up with a small box and two envelopes to be sure ... when you flip the blades they end up facing the same way. Maybe there is something about the angle or curvature of the blade that it should be flipped. Anyhow I'll make sure I'm good.

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I actually just thought of that today, "Hey I wonder if anybody needs AC stuff?" I guess that answers that question. Let me look around at how much this stuff normally sells for. You can make me an offer if you like, just send me a PM.
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My bad! The GA16 has abracket that is for both the alt. and AC..... I thought they were the same.
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Wife says we don't need A/C in the B14 here in Colorado, so that idea died quickly...

I did however go back to your thread in May 2006 and saw that you may want to put the stock B14 muffler on your DD car. If that's true, I have a stock B14 muffler from brand new to 2K miles as I took it off to put the Greddy SP exhaust on 9 years ago. It's been sitting in my garage since then collecting dust. PM me an offer if you want it. If you'll be at the Convention, I will throw it in the back of my Tacoma and bring it up for you free of shipping...

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You know I started thinking about it... I even made a mock up with a small box and two envelopes to be sure ... when you flip the blades they end up facing the same way. Maybe there is something about the angle or curvature of the blade that it should be flipped. Anyhow I'll make sure I'm good.




yeah kinda what I was thinking....That the blades facing a certain way is more "efficiant" not that it switches the pull thats what switching the polarity is for.
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Old 03-09-2007, 04:37 PM   #94 (permalink)
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You are so lucky to have a garage! I can't wait for my first house! Boy oh boy will my wife be pissed at the projects I start. Looks awesome keep it coming.
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I could be mistaken but I would figure it's either or. Either flip the blades or the polarity. But like you said you can test it.. shoot I'd make up some wires and just plug em straight to the batterry real quick to see what they do.. be careful though.. once the fans kick on they have some hella torgue they'll trist right outta your hands.
get them running and wave a strip of paper infront of them.. youll know if there blowing or suckin

Swiss: awesome work! love seeing projects progress! just gotta and a quick shot of my own pusher fan setup. i flipped the blades pusher, hot wired there and did my paper test to make sure of my polaritys before i sodered the connections.

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ey just to let you know.... if you need a 5 rib belt the part # is 25-050330... both belts are 33.695"(856mm) The closest they got to that in a 6 groove belt is a 25-060331. That is 33.750" (855mm) Or they have 25-060338 which is 34.375" (872mm) if it helps any
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:55 PM   #97 (permalink)
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Ah, I see.

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I did however go back to your thread in May 2006 and saw that you may want to put the stock B14 muffler on your DD car. If that's true, I have a stock B14 muffler from brand new to 2K miles as I took it off to put the Greddy SP exhaust on 9 years ago.
Thanks, but I've still got the stock exhaust as well. I'd like to get a 2.25" flange and have a muffler shop adapt the stock muffler as an axle-back that connects to the Greddy mid-pipe. That way I could switch them out.

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You are so lucky to have a garage! I can't wait for my first house! Boy oh boy will my wife be pissed at the projects I start. Looks awesome keep it coming.
Kinda, it's my buddy's condo. I rent from him. The garage has two Quads in it. So there's still room for lots of tools and workspace, but the cars stay outside. It's still better than no garage at all.

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ey just to let you know.... if you need a 5 rib belt the part # is 25-050330... both belts are 33.695"(856mm) The closest they got to that in a 6 groove belt is a 25-060331. That is 33.750" (855mm) Or they have 25-060338 which is 34.375" (872mm) if it helps any
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