C-series cams

97 Black SER · Mar 22, 2001

I was wondering if anyone knows when the cams will be available to the public. I've got a few bolt on's right now and the next step is either going to be a 50 shot of nitrous with the Wolf Computer or the C series cams. Anyone have any opinion on which I should go with if both are avaiable?

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Ryan 97 Black SER
advanced timing,custom 2.5" catback exhaust with dynomax super turbo muffler, Unorthodox Racing Pulleys, ES shifter Bushing, Hotshot Header, Hotshot CAI

Storm88000 · Mar 22, 2001

C's aren't available yet AFAIK. The S4's are the closest thing available right now.

Also, I've heard from many that the C cams make your car barely streetable. I assume they mean the car is very jerky and runs pretty rough. So unless your car is just for the track/strip, they're not recommended, at least for now.

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Jordan White (Stormy)
'98 Sentra SE(R)
Hotshot G3 Header, Hotshot CAI, JWT s4 Cams, KYB AGXs, Eibach Sportlines, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, MOMO Shifter, Nis-Knacks chrome projector headlights and clear corners, 205/50/15 Pirelli P700Z's on SE-R wheels, 205/40/17 Kuhmos on 17" Borbet Type S's for the summer

15.454 @ 88mph at Englishtown, NJ - with the $hitty stock cams, 14's this season

kesi24 · Mar 22, 2001

sorry guys but who makes these cams????

Guest · Mar 22, 2001

Jim wolf Tech.

How much are the C-cams going to be I thought they were going to pretty expensive.

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97 Black SER · Mar 22, 2001

Around a grand including the valve springs, so slightly less than what nitrous would cost with everything.

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Ryan 97 Black SER
advanced timing,custom 2.5" catback exhaust with dynomax super turbo muffler, Unorthodox Racing Pulleys, ES shifter Bushing, Hotshot Header, Hotshot CAI

Storm88000 · Mar 22, 2001

Don't get me wrong, the C cams rule. Rob Cadles car made 168hp with them and some other bolt ons, which is pretty damned impressive. Just the streetability is in question.

Also, I think they were rumored to cost $1000-$1200. They are probably a long way off though. It took the s4 cams about a year to come out since they were first mentioned. I remember last March of '00 there was talk of them and now I finally got my hands on a set.

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Jordan White (Stormy)
'98 Sentra SE(R)
Hotshot G3 Header, Hotshot CAI, JWT s4 Cams, KYB AGXs, Eibach Sportlines, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, MOMO Shifter, Nis-Knacks chrome projector headlights and clear corners, 205/50/15 Pirelli P700Z's on SE-R wheels, 205/40/17 Kuhmos on 17" Borbet Type S's for the summer

15.454 @ 88mph at Englishtown, NJ - with the $hitty stock cams, 14's this season

ClassicSE-R · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by 97 Black SER:
Around a grand including the valve springs, so slightly less than what nitrous would cost with everything.

Actually, it will be somewhere around $1200-1300. That includes the cams, valve springs, and Titanium retainers (which I don't have :-( )

Rob

ClassicSE-R · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by Storm88000:

Also, I've heard from many that the C cams make your car barely streetable. I assume they mean the car is very jerky and runs pretty rough. So unless your car is just for the track/strip, they're not recommended, at least for now.

*NOT* true! There are actually 4 different 'flavors' of the C-series cams available. C1's, which have the shortest duration, idle somewhere between S3's and S4's and make lots of yummy torque and give about a 15 hp peak power gain over stock '91 cams (more on later cars--for the record, S3's give about 9 peak hp over stock). C1's should prove to be very very good on built turbo cars.

C2 intake/C2 exhaust combo made 22 peak hp more than the stock cams. The cams idle very well, about like S4's. I even passed CA's stringent rolling dyno smog test with these cams.

C3 intake/C2 exhaust cam combo made 26 peak hp more than stock cams. Idle is a little rougher than S4's. Not too bad, but it is very lumpy and there is some surging/bucking around 1000 RPM or so.

C3 intake/C3 exhaust combo made 33 peak hp more than stock cams. Idle is rough. It is solid, and the car doesn't stall. However, it can be *very* rough and choppy, especially when the car is cold. Sub-3000 RPM throttle response is quite poor. Only manly men should run these cams (sissy G-20 and B-14 owners need not apply

. I still wouldn't call them 'unstreetable', though. At least they aren't really any less streetable than my 350 lb/in springs ;-). If I had to drive my car every day, and I had to pick one set of cams, I would still take the C3/C3 combo. But then again, I went to the University of Michigan, so I know how to deal with pain and suffering

All of the hp numbers that I quoted are the gain in *PEAK* hp. They are not indicative of the maximum amount of power gained at any one RPM. In fact, the C3/C3 combo netted me 50 wheel bp at 7500 RPM over the stock cams. When you plot the C3/C3 dyno curve over the stock cams, you will see the incredible gain in area under the curve. I can simply annihilate stock-cammed SE-R's on the road course. I can easily out-power Type R's on the straights.

If the C3/C3 combo is too hard core, the C2/C2 combo is very very streetable is feels about as fast (even though it clearly is not).

ClassicSE-R · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by Storm88000:
They are probably a long way off though.

Not that far off, actually. JWT has the cams in process. In fact, I have heard a rumor (can't confirm it) that they are taking orders on C cams.

Rob

97 Black SER · Mar 22, 2001

When we're talking that kind of hp gain, who cares about a few hundred dollars.

jk, thanks for the info. I guess I'm going to have to call up JWT and see what's going on. I'll keep you all posted.

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Ryan 97 Black SER
advanced timing,custom 2.5" catback exhaust with dynomax super turbo muffler, Unorthodox Racing Pulleys, ES shifter Bushing, Hotshot Header, Hotshot CAI

brian · Mar 22, 2001

sissy b14 gusy? I would put those cams in my car anyday. I just need $

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98 se-r w/ p/r cai,jwt s3 cams, stillen header, courtesy exhaust, ur pullies, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, NOS nitrous kit, eibach springs, kyb struts, st sways, cusco camber plates, f/r strut braces,stillen lower control arm brace, lotsa bushings, and a bunch of other crap

Soupaflie · Mar 22, 2001

Are cam gears and dyno tuning going to be needed with any of the C series cams?

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Sean
97 SE-R w/misc. goodies

Jay Hass · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by Soupaflie:
Are cam gears and dyno tuning going to be needed with any of the C series cams?

On a stock 9.5:1 SR20 I think you can find some power with cam gears using the C3 cams.

My question is this...how about a retrofit of the roller rockers in the B15 with a cam that has nasty ramp speed and C3 specs? Can anyone say good idle, fat ass powerband and an additionl 5-10hp free'd up from parasitic losses.

Ryan, if you plan on going NA power for now, don't waste your time with S4's. Go for the nut and do up the C3's, springs, retainers and cam gears. We can get on a dyno and tune those bad boys up.

If your really feeling sparky we can pull your intake manifold and send it out for extrude honing and port match it at the same time. Jack at Apluss just did valve springs on Craigs car and his car and is now pretty proficient at getting them done.

I'm thinking Maxima MAF (or Cobra if it's easier for JWT to program) as well. The stocker is small.

Lets rip up those Honda hybrids on the pike! Then again I did it with S3's LOL

[This message has been edited by Jay Hass (edited 03-22-2001).]

Guest · Mar 22, 2001

maybe one day, they'll have some cams for the b15's. i like the c2 set, since streetability for us wussies is a must.

hey, 22hp is 22hp!

i would like to do the ecu at the same time. seeing as how the 98+ years are not done and i don't want to fit in a 97 ecu, guess i'll have plenty o time to save up. who knows, the 2.5L swap may be a better option. funny thing about that, i hear that the 2.5 will be a tuner's nightmare, but nissan claims it will be a tuner's dream. any thoughts?

97 Black SER · Mar 22, 2001

Yeah, I was going to go down and talk to Craig about the JUN cams. Anyone know how they compare to the C3's? I'm thinking stay NA this year and slap on the nitrous next year. I was interested in porting the intake manifold. I was surprised at how small it was when I put the CAI on. WTF. Anyway, I want to get the ECU and order up the cams while I'm away in april.

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Ryan 97 Black SER
advanced timing,custom 2.5" catback exhaust with dynomax super turbo muffler, Unorthodox Racing Pulleys, ES shifter Bushing, Hotshot Header, Hotshot CAI

Storm88000 · Mar 22, 2001

Well, let me just say I got my inside information from Mike Jez who said that Rob's car was very rough and tough to drive with the C cams, when he went to the West Coast.

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Jordan White (Stormy)
'98 Sentra SE(R)
Hotshot G3 Header, Hotshot CAI, JWT s4 Cams, KYB AGXs, Eibach Sportlines, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, MOMO Shifter, Nis-Knacks chrome projector headlights and clear corners, 205/50/15 Pirelli P700Z's on SE-R wheels, 205/40/17 Kuhmos on 17" Borbet Type S's for the summer

15.454 @ 88mph at Englishtown, NJ - with the $hitty stock cams, 14's this season

Guest · Mar 22, 2001

Hey Ryan, how do you like the header ?

I've got most of the things I wanted on my car. Hopefully I'll see at the Pike when it stops raining.
So far on the car I got pr intake, hs header, jwt ecu with s3/s4 program, edelbrock rpm series muffler, 2.25 piping 27" inch resonator, smc shifter... s4 cams still in box.

About how much is a reasonable price for cams installation ?
I asked JWT and they said they take $100. Any place in CT that could do it for that price ?

-Art

Pit_Viper · Mar 22, 2001

Originally posted by ClassicSE-R:

All of the hp numbers that I quoted are the gain in *PEAK* hp. They are not indicative of the maximum amount of power gained at any one RPM. In fact, the C3/C3 combo netted me 50 wheel bp at 7500 RPM over the stock cams. When you plot the C3/C3 dyno curve over the stock cams, you will see the incredible gain in area under the curve. I can simply annihilate stock-cammed SE-R's on the road course. I can easily out-power Type R's on the straights.

Sounds very good. Could you possibly present a few dyno charts of the various cams (in particular, the C3/C3 set-up)? Granted, I currently have the S4 cams, but if the C3/C3 set-up is that good...

97 Black SER · Mar 22, 2001

Hey Art,
The header has done nothing for me........
except make me crave more power.

It's cool. I've got the Hotshot header, Hotshot CAI, UR pulleys (2 set), and a 2.5" catback. I'll see you out there when its nice.

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Ryan 97 Black SER
advanced timing,custom 2.5" catback exhaust with dynomax super turbo muffler, Unorthodox Racing Pulleys, ES shifter Bushing, Hotshot Header, Hotshot CAI

Storm88000 · Mar 22, 2001

LOL Jay, "Bens a moron"......I agree he does make false promises.....I asked them about the 98+ ECU like 6 months ago and he said "it should be out within a few weeks" I was like "REALLY?" hes like "yep".......hmm it's almost April now, still no 98 ECU.

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Jordan White (Stormy)
'98 Sentra SE(R)
Hotshot G3 Header, Hotshot CAI, JWT s4 Cams, KYB AGXs, Eibach Sportlines, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, MOMO Shifter, Nis-Knacks chrome projector headlights and clear corners, 205/50/15 Pirelli P700Z's on SE-R wheels, 205/40/17 Kuhmos on 17" Borbet Type S's for the summer

15.454 @ 88mph at Englishtown, NJ - with the $hitty stock cams, 14's this season

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