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$3305.00 for a stage 4 suspension minus 10% as a forum member...wow. They also mentioned that they need my stock shocks. I'm assuming that they would use Koni inserts in my stock strut bodies. Any disadvantage to this set up?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Son Of Skyline asked:
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How much track/autox time do you have? By my reckoning, using standard BMW CCA Drivers' School rates of $300/weekend, you're paying the equivalent of 11 weekend events or between 33 and 44 hours of on-track time for this suspension.

Think you're a better driver than someone who's spent that much time on the track? If so, then by all means buy the suspension - just remember, we're talking about fractions of a second in real-world diffences here.

If not, buy the GC/AGX combo for under $1k and spend the rest on 23-30 hours of track time. You do this and I'll *guarantee* you'll be waaaay faster than a newbie on that Truechoice setup.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Son Of Skyline:
$3305.00 for a stage 4 suspension minus 10% as a forum member...wow. They also mentioned that they need my stock shocks. I'm assuming that they would use Koni inserts in my stock strut bodies. Any disadvantage to this set up?
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Wow... that is crazy expensive! I knew they had raised the price since Mike K first got the set on his SE-R, but I didn't realize it was that big of an increase. They'll need your stock strut bodies, but I don't see how they'll fit the double-adjustable Koni inserts into them. Those inserts are really thick. I had to use Maxima and G20 strut bodies for my Koni double-adjustable inserts. I say the only disadvantage is the price... Otherwise, you'd be getting a real kick-ass suspension.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Se-Racer:
IMHO i would just use the motivational engineering set-up sounds about the same and is a hell of alot cheaper</font>
The Truechoice and Motivational suspensions ARE NOT the same. The only things they have in common are that they use Eibach ERS springs, they use Koni inserts, and they are shortened. The Konis that Truechoice uses are not the same as the ones Motivational uses. Truechoice uses externally double-adjustable inserts where the compression and rebound are adjustable. Motivational uses internally adjustable inserts where only rebound is adjustable, and you would have to remove the strut from the car every time to adjust rebound.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Son Of Skyline wrote:
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I just noticed this - my best advice is forget the Truechoice. Go with Motivational's, as suggested, or the GC/AGX combo with 300/200 springs, anti-roll bars, and LIGHTWEIGHT WHEELS AND R-COMPOUND TIRES. I reckon this whole batch will cost you $2600 at worst, and you'll STILL have 6 to 8 hours (2 weekends) of track time left over. =;-)

SOS, you're just yanking our collective chains on this, right?

The driver is always your least expensive and most effective upgrade.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">$3305.00 for a stage 4 suspension </font>
Son,
I have no doubt this is one kick ass suspension. But, damn. Quite honestly, unless you are going wheel-to-wheel road racing in the Speedvision GT series, I cannot understand what would cause someone to spend that much money on shocks and springs (I assume that also includes springs? Gold ****ing plated too I hope)

Personally, I'd get the single adjustable Stage 2 and use the $1500 savings on a kick-ass ski trip or a week of diving off the coast of Hawaii (did I mention I have expensive hobbies?)

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaddMatt:
Son,
I have no doubt this is one kick ass suspension. But, damn. Quite hinestly, unless you are going wheel-to-wheel road racing in the Speedvision GT series, I cannot understand what would cause someone to spend that much money on shocks and springs (I assume that also includes springs? Gold ****ing plated too I hope)

Personally, I'd get the single adjustable Stage 2 and use the $1500 savings on a kick-ass ski trip or a week of diving off the coast of Hawaii (did I mention I have expensive hobbies?)

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LOL! I see what your saying, and I think I agree. But I dunno about $1500 for a week diving off the coast of Hawaii...I just spent 2 weeks there with my gf in Sept and it cost us over 3 times that!

Oh well, thanks for kicking some sense into me. I'll probably end up using the rest of the $$$ for 7psi of fun



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This might be off the topic but B&G suspension makes coilovers for our car and so does DMS of australia...Both are susposidely shortened struts and DMS offers 3 different kinds shock designs for $1700... http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/products.html the distributor told me they have a lot of applications for the b13 chassis w/ different spring rates cause people use it for rallying and roadrace.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SucKit:
This might be off the topic but B&G suspension makes coilovers for our car and so does DMS of australia...Both are susposidely shortened struts and DMS offers 3 different kinds shock designs for $1700... http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/products.html the distributor told me they have a lot of applications for the b13 chassis w/ different spring rates cause people use it for rallying and roadrace.</font>
Very interesting...


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Phase 2 is shortened. Maybe threaded body as well, but SlowSER knows for sure since he has a set.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaddMatt:
Phase 2 is shortened. Maybe threaded body as well, but SlowSER knows for sure since he has a set.

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I just checked the Truechoice website. It only describes the Stage 4 as shortened.



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SOS: Here's another (also expensive) option. Give Ground Control a call and ask them about their Advance Design struts. They have prototyped a set for the B13, and so I'm sure they'd have no trouble making them for you. It's double-adjustable, and the advantage over Koni is that both compression and rebound adjusters are at the top of the strut instead of rebound up top and compression at the bottom.

Just throwing out other ideas...

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RollcageSR20:
SOS: Here's another (also expensive) option. Give Ground Control a call and ask them about their Advance Design struts. They have prototyped a set for the B13, and so I'm sure they'd have no trouble making them for you. It's double-adjustable, and the advantage over Koni is that both compression and rebound adjusters are at the top of the strut instead of rebound up top and compression at the bottom.

Just throwing out other ideas...

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At $399 a corner, it seems like it would be on par with the Shocktek in pricing, and still $1000 cheaper than the TCS4 when you include the springs as well.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaddMatt:
Phase 2 is shortened. Maybe threaded body as well, but SlowSER knows for sure since he has a set.

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They better be f%$ing shortened! They're illegal for IT (threaded collar permanently attached to the shock), too, so maybe I didn't get shortened shocks either.
 

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The Truechoice Phase II+ is shortened. To make sure, just measure your stock strut body length and the Koni's whenever you get them. If you check the se-r.net archives, I think Naji mentions how long they should be. I have the phase II+ setup with 300fr/250rr and love it. Naji and I had to get the shafts of the rear shocks lengthened though because they were topping out (well, unless you like your car REALLY low...).

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