I have been turning this over in my mind for a little while and I made a decision. I am going to be very protective of any thread that has anything to do with the VE cams that JWT is considering making. I am not going to allow "off topic" things in those threads. I am also going to be very careful about the message that we send JWT on this forum. We are trying to get them to produce these cams. We have worked very hard to get them the amount of people they need to make money on the first set of cams. Now we appear to be very close. I do not want anything to get in the way of this process. I deleted some off topic talk in the primary thread. I am watching that other thread very closely. Enough said I think. I really feel this is in the best interest of everyone who wants those cams and will not let the action of a couple people hinder/risk this process. No matter how well intentioned or harmless it may seem. Remember, JWT looked at this forum during the last cam poll attempt and did not like what he saw. That and the low numbers killed the first start.
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I want that main thread to stay on topic and remain professional. I am watching the other thread because it seems the more you talk about a subject on a public forum the more likely the topic is going to turn on you and end up in a argument of some sort. Nothing that has been said on this forum has been improper in any way. Some of it is just useless talk about a subject (like the ultimate cam specs) that will lead to nothing useful in the end.
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JWT does not care what is said in the threads about the VE cams. They dont care what you say about the cam sizes either. JWT might consider some of the options such as change over point but the ultimate cam desighn is in their hands. All they care about is botto line figures to make a profit as any buiness would. Clark has asked me to let him konw how many more VE motors I will sell in the next few months. That being asked I have 6 more potential customers.
Now, If the cams ae made first with a 75% comitment and the HP output of the cam is good, then more people who might be a little skeptical about buying a VE will. Some people need to see hard facts to be convinced.
Now, If the cams ae made first with a 75% comitment and the HP output of the cam is good, then more people who might be a little skeptical about buying a VE will. Some people need to see hard facts to be convinced.
Not true. The last deal died partially due to unrealistic expectations. This was due to poor communiction on this forum and lack of interest.Andreas Miko said:
So why talk about it and invite people to expect certian things. Drop it.Andreas Miko said:
I closed that thread and deleted the last post. That is exactly what I am talking about. I do not want people arguing about cam specs on this forum. It will not be allowed. If you don't like it then tough. I DON'T CARE. I am thinking of the greater good of the other 75 people who signed up for these cams. Just because 2 people want to argue about cams specs that JWT might make does not mean that it’s in the best intrest of the other 73 people. Andreas, I know you helped move this process forward. I know you have good intentions. Surely you can appreciate that we do not want to change/raise/confuse peoples expectations about the final product. It’s done. Leave it alone.
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98sr20ve said:
The last VE cam thing died becasue there was not enough people to break even much less make a profit. I know thats what we talked about, as I started pushing the issue with Clark Steppler. No company is going to operate a venture at a loss. There were not enough responces. I talk to Mr Steppler 3 times a week. That would be Mon, Wed and Fri and at the time it was unrealistic.
Steve this site we are on is called the SR20DEFORUM. We are here to help each other, invite conversation and even argue points, thats what a forum is about. A moderaters job is to more than anything else is to stop crap talk and keep utter disrespect for others down. Not a toatalitarium veiw of what you might just like. Now Mr Steve Foltz the reason I talk about the cams is just maybe I am put here to do so by Steppler to gauge intrest and see veiws and opinoins. A response negative or positive is still a reponce and show what people want or would like to have, it also is a guage of how may people have these motors or intend to get one. Please think about that.
So in conclusion, we felt that a 30 WHP increase over stock SR20VE cams or a 10 WHP increase over 200 hp SR16VE N1 cams would be a great starting point for cams for the VE. If the cam are built or not built is pasy, because if it is not nothing more than a 2.3L VE will do as all the parts are in place aleady.
By the way when you get a chance can you please call me Mr Steve Foltz.
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If this is true then the dialogue must go on. This is my job and my part to get these cams made.98sr20ve said:
Dont let the power go to your head as a moderater you must be objective to other peoples points.
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What happened to eriic96ser's post?
There is nothing to discuss as far as cam specs are concerned. JWT is going to decide those. So in the end what is there to discuss? Nothing. Why do you feel the need to go on and on about minute details about cam specs when all that does is confuse most people? The post I deleted was getting argumentative. Just as I knew it would. Arguments split people. We can not afford to split the pool of VE cam buyers because two people want to argue over issues that they have no control over. JWT is hopefully going to make a Killer set of cams for us. If we stay united in cause to get these things made and agree that he can and will make us a great set of cams. If you are really a friend to this VE forum you will drop this issue. Why do we need to argue about the stuff we have no control over?Andreas Miko said:
Power as a moderator. Jeez, that’s a bunch of fun.
I can leave if you like. I don't need to stay. It does not make that much of a difference to me.
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I agree with the both of you.
Cam specs don't really need to be discussed just on the fact that most don't understand them and there is more to it than lift/duration. Most won't give a chit what the specs are as long as they are better than 20v/16ve cams. I say 20v/16ve because not many are lucky enough to access N1 cams. Still, JWT knows what they are doing, we don't. Leave it to them. We aren't all motor genius's. We just like DYNO charts.
But then...closing down threads or deleting posts is kinda ghey. I say this because no one will delete the post that are argumentive towards me. Even if it means deleting one of my posts. I do believe you are semi abusing the power. The forum is just a way of world wide conversation. You can't bleep out peoples conversations in real life. If I can't get someone that I ask to help clean up a thread to save its content for me...then I don't believe others should either.
Also, I don't think JWT will think if we are a bunch of babies...as long as we are a bunch of babies with $$.
Now you can delete this, edit it or yell at me. Ban me again even. You both dislike me so it means nothing to me. Just, I'd rather you guys fight with me than amungst yourselves. There shouldn't be any arguments either way. Your both right, your both wrong. You both agree to disagree.
Sorry, I had to add my .02. I am a post whore. But I'd also like you guys to stay cool. Want something to get angry about...PM me, I'm used to it already.
Can't we all just...get along?
JasonQ.
Cam specs don't really need to be discussed just on the fact that most don't understand them and there is more to it than lift/duration. Most won't give a chit what the specs are as long as they are better than 20v/16ve cams. I say 20v/16ve because not many are lucky enough to access N1 cams. Still, JWT knows what they are doing, we don't. Leave it to them. We aren't all motor genius's. We just like DYNO charts.
But then...closing down threads or deleting posts is kinda ghey. I say this because no one will delete the post that are argumentive towards me. Even if it means deleting one of my posts. I do believe you are semi abusing the power. The forum is just a way of world wide conversation. You can't bleep out peoples conversations in real life. If I can't get someone that I ask to help clean up a thread to save its content for me...then I don't believe others should either.
Also, I don't think JWT will think if we are a bunch of babies...as long as we are a bunch of babies with $$.
Now you can delete this, edit it or yell at me. Ban me again even. You both dislike me so it means nothing to me. Just, I'd rather you guys fight with me than amungst yourselves. There shouldn't be any arguments either way. Your both right, your both wrong. You both agree to disagree.
Sorry, I had to add my .02. I am a post whore. But I'd also like you guys to stay cool. Want something to get angry about...PM me, I'm used to it already
.Can't we all just...get along?
JasonQ.
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someone needs to call Piper and see about cams from them They do one off's and Im sure a small run wouldnt be a problem either. They are one of the worlds premier cam makers, And they are based in the UK, so they probably have access to a much bigger market than JWT does anyway.
Great, this is just what I didn't want. JWT is stepping out to help us and now we have people throwing out other places for cams. Americia is the largest market for the VE. Japan/UK/Aus. has clearly not imbraced the VE in the performance world like the US has. JWT is clearly our best bet for resonable price/high quality cams. Of course if 10 people back out then we may never get any cams at all. Hmm, Maybe Steve was right. Just leave well enough alone. We have 75 people. Be happy that we do. Lets not kill this deal by overthinking it or talking about it too much.sakerocket1 said:
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No one killed anything just chill out and breathe in a paper bag, All I was saying is supposing JWT doesnt do it because they cant justify it, Granted you have 75 people interested but how many have a VE out of that 75, maybe 25 at most. I know that having cams availible will make others want the motor more but be realistic. Say they say no the call piper thats all I was saying.
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You know what. I don't care any more. You guys want to ruin this deal for yourself go ahead. Some of you guys are too stupid to realize that you can screw it up at this late stage. Have at it. Enjoy. I don't need/want the cams anyway. Anybody ever notice that I did not sign up for these cams. I am not buying them because I am not building up the Sentra any farther. I have no personal interest in getting these cams made. I only did this to protect all of you guys. Some of your are just stupid to realize this. You got your feeling bruised and now you’re madd. You think that this deal can't go sore. You are wrong. It may/it may not but too much talk on a forum eventually leads to that type of thing. Seen it happen many times. Seen it happen on a EVO forum recently. You just can't be happy that they are likely going to make the cams. You have to talk it to death until other people start either arguing about the idea or coming up with other ideas on there own. Real smart. Deal is off. I will do nothing to promote this or mold/shape this at all. I will unlock the thread and undelete the post. Also, put the stuff about porn back in the main thread.
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98sr20ve said:
America is the performance capital. Everyone else just takes the VVL outta the picture.
Steve, we all understand where you are coming from and why you wanted to do what you did. But, we aren't all high class aristocrats. We are just some average ol motorheads. You can't possibly believe we'll be 'civil' about everything. The whole 'totalitarium' gig was kinda harsh, but kinda...true. People have their opinions, ideas and rights. If they want to behave in a down right dirty manner...let em have at it. If these cams don't get made, it will be their fault. You don't want them anyway, so you shouldn't feel any guilt. You have made your point. When something ****s up...you can always say 'I told you so'.
Other than that, you should cool down a little man. I also don't think it's very good for a moderator to go around calling people stupid. That's something for the low lifes like me to do. I'll take my job back, please. For something that's not in your best interest, you sure are getting huffy about it. Your a valuable part of this forum, don't let this get to you. Your better than that.
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