I have been turning this over in my mind for a little while and I made a decision. I am going to be very protective of any thread that has anything to do with the VE cams that JWT is considering making. I am not going to allow "off topic" things in those threads. I am also going to be very careful about the message that we send JWT on this forum. We are trying to get them to produce these cams. We have worked very hard to get them the amount of people they need to make money on the first set of cams. Now we appear to be very close. I do not want anything to get in the way of this process. I deleted some off topic talk in the primary thread. I am watching that other thread very closely. Enough said I think. I really feel this is in the best interest of everyone who wants those cams and will not let the action of a couple people hinder/risk this process. No matter how well intentioned or harmless it may seem. Remember, JWT looked at this forum during the last cam poll attempt and did not like what he saw. That and the low numbers killed the first start.