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Any of you turbo guys ever make your own race gas? Just curious. I haven't seen anyone talking about it on these boards. If you haven't tried it yet, you should. Put a couple of gallons of Xylene/Toulene (Xylol/Toulol) in your tank and a capfull or 2 of MMO (Marvel Mystery Oil) for lubrication. I used to mix this in with the gas for my eclipse all the time, and you can definately feel the difference. Here in PHX, you can only get 91 octane, sucks!
 

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Toulene is *very* bad stuff for living things including people. Its been proven to cause cancer big time. I would highly reccomend wearing gloves, a mask, and eye protection when using the stuff.
 

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Toulene is bad stuff.. and I definately wouldn't be burning it in my engine. God knows what comes out of the tailpipe after it's burned..lol..
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I have used it, all octane booster has it so with a proper mix you won´t have any trouble.

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Anybody have more specific information? As in the proper mixing 1 part this and 5 parts that will yeild an octane rating _______.


Improper mixing will cause _________ (explosion, melted pistons, erectile disfunction :( )


And was is the cost, (final mixture per gallon)
 

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When I used to race go-karts, there was a rule at most tracks:

If you were caught with toluene, you were banned from all kart tracks in the province for life.....it's that toxic
 

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you can put pure toulene in your tank, and it will be 114 octane.

toulene, however, is extremely caustic (read: bad, corrossive, from the devil) on fuel components. they use it as friggin paint thinner! this stuff will eat the rubber in your fuel hoses, and ruin the coatings on your fuel pump, not good. think about where your fuel injectors and many rubber fuel components are: directly above your wonderfully hot exhaust pipe.

you also are not likely to feel any difference if you just put toulene in your tank, you would need to up the boost, advance the timing or something else. the knock sensor in our cars is nearly totally deaf, and if you have a 50lb or up program, your knock sensor isnt used at all.

you can buy high octane gas for fairly cheap at many places, hell, they sell 108 unleaded from the pump here, about $4.00 a gallon and CA isnt exactly known for cheap gas prices.
 

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Xylene has a rating of 117. There both paint thiner ( I am a painter) when you mix it i belive it will result in octane booster NOT RACE GAS with a rating of about 100. Not really worth it. In my book
 

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HotshtSR20 said:
you can put pure toulene in your tank, and it will be 114 octane.

toulene, however, is extremely caustic (read: bad, corrossive, from the devil) on fuel components. they use it as friggin paint thinner! this stuff will eat the rubber in your fuel hoses, and ruin the coatings on your fuel pump, not good. think about where your fuel injectors and many rubber fuel components are: directly above your wonderfully hot exhaust pipe.

you also are not likely to feel any difference if you just put toulene in your tank, you would need to up the boost, advance the timing or something else. the knock sensor in our cars is nearly totally deaf, and if you have a 50lb or up program, your knock sensor isnt used at all.

you can buy high octane gas for fairly cheap at many places, hell, they sell 108 unleaded from the pump here, about $4.00 a gallon and CA isnt exactly known for cheap gas prices.
Where exactly can i get this gas?, got a name of a place or a street address?

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you in SD?

in SD, you would go hwy 8 east, exit Mollison. you will see it at the end of the exit on the right side.

for VP fuels (leaded) you could go to Fiber Tech in Santee. Hwy 67 N, exit prospect, turn left at the end of the exit. it will be on the left hand side. it is illegal to pump leaded gas into a street car, so you will need to provide your own container (you can purchase a 5 gallon one for like $19.99) and dump it in later.

remember though, octane rating isnt everything. certain fuels are optimized to burn hotter. C12, for example, is not a good idea for a high boost turbo car. i resists detonation better, but still burns pretty damned hot, possible holing a piston.
 

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Here ya go!!!

Homebrew Gasoline Octane Boosters

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Editor's note: I would NOT suggest that a person use the following fuel mixtures without considering the detrimental effects on your engine, vital engine components (O2 sensor, etc), and other potential damage. That said, the information is interesting.
Original published in:

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Valdosta, GA 31602
(912) 244-0577

Editor: Richard Lasetter, president Gran Sport Club of America (GSCA)

Formula #1 - Toluene
R+M/2.........114
Cost...........$2.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.2 Octane
20%...........96.4 Octane
30%...........98.6 Octane
Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores.

Formula #2 - Xylene
R+M/2.........117
Cost...........$2.75/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.5 Octane
20%...........97.0 Octane
30%...........99.5 Octane
Notes: Similar to Toluene. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Usually mixed with Toluene and advertised as *race formula*.

Formula #3 - Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)
R+M/2.........118
Cost...........$3.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.6 Octane
20%...........97.2 Octane
30%...........99.8 Octane
Notes: Oxygenate. Very common in octane booster products. Has lower BTU content than toluene or xylene, but oxygenate effect makes the gasoline burn better and produce more energy.

Formula #4 - Methanol or Ethanol
R+M/2.........101
Cost...........$0.60 - $1.75/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.3 Octane (Methanol)
10%...........94.7 Octane (Ethanol)
20%...........Not Recommended
Notes: Methanol is wood alcohol. Ethanol is grain alcohol and found in Gasohol in 10% ratios. Both alcohols are mildly corrosive and will eat gas tank linings, rubber and aluminum if used in excessive ratios. Main ingredient in "Gas Dryers", combine with water.

Formula #5 - Isopropyl Alcohol and Tertiary Butyl Alcohol
R+M/2.........101
Cost...........$0.60-$1.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.5 Octane
20%...........Not Recommended
30%...........Not Recommended

Notes: Similar to Methanol/Ethanol. Isopropyl Alcohol is simply rubbing alcohol.

Sample Mixture
To make your own octane booster, it is easiest to make up a large batch, and then bottle it up in "dosage-size" uses.
Below is the basic formula of one of the popular octane booster products. To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1 gal):

100 oz of toluene for octane boost
25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent)
3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent)
This product is advertised as "octane booster with cleaning agent *and* lubricating agent!". Diesel fuel or kerosene can be substituted for mineral spirits and light turbine oil can be substituted for transmission fluid. Color can be added with petroleum dyes.


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lol, busted!
 

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Q: Isn't toluene an active ingredient of TNT (trinitrotoluene) and is thus deadly?

A: In the same way that cotton wool is the base ingredient of nitrocellulose (guncotton) which in turn is the main ingredient in modern smokeless gunpowder. Using this reasoning one could conclude that cotton wool is a deadly substance. This question reflects a poor understanding of basic chemistry but unfortunately it has been asked often enough.
lol, this guy should be a lawyer if he isnt one already. i think the relation of the danger of cotton to gunpowder is a little farther away than TNT to toulene. Cotton isnt exactly a very "active" ingredient.

if its so safe, lets see him drink toulene while i munch on cotton.

what a funny bastard. :D
 

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Yea, what a great comparison :redface: I would like to see if he can prove that cotton along with trinitrotoluene cause cancer and birth defects. Then maybe i'll switch over to polyester shirts.
 
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