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Simple question Natural power no turbo,nos,or supercharger GSR or SE-R who will make the most power?
Peak power B18, area under the curve SR20 all the way. In a race it would be pretty close. The SR would pull hard from the start but the B18 would be charging hard at the end.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nupinpanty:
So both of them stroked the GSR would take it?
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Yup, personal preference. Everyone has an opinion. The debate has been going on since the gen 3 Integra came out. And it'll be going on for years to come. Personally for all-purpose driving (around town, auto-x, track schools) I prefer a torquey, flexible SR20. If I were to build a track-only car (and I didn't already have an SE-R) you'd find me in a GS-R.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It's all about personal preference I guess... I like both engines.</font>
My experince is totally different than yours on a road course. I have had many encounters with Type Rs and the drivers of the Rs were amazed at my car. And that was before the C3 cams and in one instance the TC suspension. Here are some excerpts of what I wrote back then<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">However, on a road course, the VTEC is in it's element. It's always on the big cam. I have a friend with a GS-R and very similar mods to my SE-R and I have nothing for him on the straights. He's got me by at least 5 mph into the braking zone.</font>
Do you keep a journal of all your experiences at the track? If so, that is frikkin cool. i'm gonna start doin that....<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nj1266:
[BHere are some excerpts of what I wrote back then
Excerpt #1
"The most exciting thing was my competition with Scott's Integra ..."
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It is not about peak hp, it is about the area under the curve. Type Rs can make all the peak hp they want, but SE-rs have more area under the curve.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sr20:
which makes most power that would be the sr20 by at least 50 horse going by the post regarding the integra...where is all this power coming from that would be a primera race motor 300hp!</font>
You are either a truly exceptional driver or the guy in the Integra really isn't that great. It also may be the type of course you're driving doesn't favor the peaky B18. The track that I have nothing for the Integras on has 2 straight in which both are a few feet short of a mile (I'm not kidding!). The back straight is every bit of 4000' and the front straight is 3500+' I hit 120 mph on the back straight and ~117 on the front. My buddies GS-R hits 125 both places.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">My experince is totally different than yours on a road course.</font>
Agreed. But when the B18 is spending 90% of it's time on the big cam, there's more area under it's curve from 6000-8000 rpm than we have from 5000-7000. If it's not on the big cam 90% of the time on a road course, the driver is not doing something right.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It is not about peak hp, it is about the area under the curve. Type Rs can make all the peak
hp they want, but SE-rs have more area under the curve.</font>
One of the guys in the Integra was an instructor. He was a good driver. These guys came up and talked to me later on, so I am not imagining that they had a hard time dealing with the SE-R. When the other driver comes up and talks to you and is very impressed, then you know for sure that you gave the Type R a hard time.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You are either a truly exceptional driver or the guy in the Integra really isn't that great.</font>
You have a good point. The track that I am talking about has 16 turns and is somewhat technical. Low end grunt does matter in it. The track you are talking about is similar to Willow Springs. It has only 9 turns and long front and back straights.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It also may be the type of course you're driving doesn't favor the peaky B18. The track that I have nothing for the Integras on has 2 straight in which both are a few feet short of a mile (I'm not kidding!).</font>
And that is why the type of course you are driving on makes a big difference as you mentioned. It is hard to keep a Type R in that range at a technical course and perhaps that is why I was able to hang with them. A stock SE-R makes its power in the 5-7K range. But a modded C3 cammed one is different. The meat of my power band is 4500-8000 rpm. At 4500 rpm it is like a VTEC kicked in<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Agreed. But when the B18 is spending 90% of it's time on the big cam, there's more area under it's curve from 6000-8000 rpm than we have from 5000-7000. If it's not on the big cam 90% of the time on a road course, the driver is not doing something right.</font>
Your probably running AGXs/GCs and ST bars. The AGXs/GCs have their limits. You need a shortened suspension. There is no alternative. It makes a world of difference by removing the bottoming out effect.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">All I know is, I have over $1000 in suspension mods and at least that in engine mods. This doesn't include sticky R-compound tires.</font>
Yes, except for the ST bars. I guess I need to save some money....<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Your probably running AGXs/GCs and ST bars.</font>