i see, well let me ask you this, has anyone swapped in high perf versions? is the steering feel greatly improved over stock to a point where its worth it?
Tension Rods?
anyone ever replace just the bushing inside the tension rod? is it hard to get out?
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Most people just get the sperical ones. Issues with cracking the control arm with the urethane ones. A post in this section described it all about 3 months ago.
yeah, and theyre a bitch to remove, gotta either have a press or burn them out, id rather just get spherical (which i have, SPL Parts owns me.)
The author said he could'nt see himself driving cross country with sphrerical rods. I have them on my car and noticed a substantial improvement in feel but didn't experience the harsh ride he spoke of. It's a sports car afterall, not a Cadillac.whoflungpoo said:
Good point...one of the main reasons I am building a pure track car. It is possible to have a street cat that handles well and doesn't have a harsh ride, but obviously a trade-off must be made between handlign and ride quality.Shoes59 said:The author said he could'nt see himself driving cross country with sphrerical rods. I have them on my car and noticed a substantial improvement in feel but didn't experience the harsh ride he spoke of. It's a sports car afterall, not a Cadillac.
i didnt notice any harshness from the pillowball rods. pillowball camber plates on the other hand...
BTW, I am about to make some for my car. Will be better then the 100$ ones and even then the SPL's but not as expensive as the JIC's Probably in the TEIN range but using Americian bearings so that you can replace them easily.
I'm game...98sr20ve said:BTW, I am about to make some for my car. Will be better then the 100$ ones and even then the SPL's but not as expensive as the JIC's Probably in the TEIN range but using Americian bearings so that you can replace them easily.
When do you anticipate having them done?
i dont see how they can be any "better"? its really just an aluminum rod with a spherical bearing no the end. maybe have it come with dust boots?
metric ends are easy to get, McMaster Carr has everything.
metric ends are easy to get, McMaster Carr has everything.
Mine will be steel not aluminum. Mine will use better quality bearings (I actually have been told by some people that they use cheap bearings). I didn't want some of them because they are aluminum. TEIN and JIC are steel for a reason. Over time dust boots just crack and hold in the moisture. I will make them so that you can replace the bearing relatively cheaply. Teins do not have a great deal of adjustment either.
hmmm, i dont see much chance of bending an over 3/4 inch piece of aluminum... plus, thats adding unsprung weight, something i dont like doing.
I'm not sure you can call the T/C rods unsprung weight. They're attached to the chassis at one end after all.
so anyone know what the best aftermarket t/c rods are for a decent price?
somewhat unsprung, as in below the coilovers, they dont adapt to weight being increase on the car. add 1000 pounds to the car the tension rods wont move, maybe pivot but not move. atleast thats how i understand "unsprung" to be.
even if its not unsprung weight its still weight, and ill be sure to let you guys know if i ever break a 3/4" aluminum bar.
even if its not unsprung weight its still weight, and ill be sure to let you guys know if i ever break a 3/4" aluminum bar.
Mine are going to be 4130 chromoly. Its a tube so it will be lighter and stronger then the solid aluminum. The oem piece is steel. I was always concerned about aluminum ones I have seen so I asked around. I am not trying to talk anyone into or out of a TC rod. I simple stated that I was going to be making some of my own. They will suit my desires better then the others (except the JIC which are just too expensive). I will be making more then one set but I have local buyers who want some as well. Steel bends, aluminum will fail catastropic. When your life depends on a product you think long and hard about who makes your stuff. I called several of the lower price people and they did not inspire confidence with me. As you said its not a complicated piece. To me it came down to TEIN, JIC or make my own. TEIN has less adjustment and getting replacement bearings is more difficult. JIC was too much money.
I'm not sure that you can generalize like that. I think it depends on the carbon or (in the case of chromoly) molybdenum content of the alloy. Aluminum can also be strengthened by other means, including forging, heat treating, and cryogenic treatment. In a lot of cases the yield strength of aluminum subjected to cryo is a lot closer to some steels than you would think. Chromoly, probably not though. As an interesting side note, I have seen a chromoly tube piece used as an axle on a SAE Mini Baja car, and that thing failed just short of "catastrophic."98sr20ve said:Mine are going to be 4130 chromoly. Its a tube so it will be lighter and stronger then the solid aluminum. The oem piece is steel. I was always concerned about aluminum ones I have seen so I asked around. Steel bends, aluminum will fail catastropic.
I have to agree about it being your life and your choice...I feel exactly the same way. But I would think a lot of these companies would properly engineer these parts, and perform a barrage of destructive testing. Do have any endurance trials planned, or destructive testing? Not trying to be an ass...just making a point. Also, since it may be your life and you are opting out of the JIC, you are could be construed as putting a monetary limit on your life. Whatever the cost difference between the Tein and JIC, I would think it minor if the JIC saved your life where the Tein might not. Just something to ponder...98sr20ve said:When your life depends on a product you think long and hard about who makes your stuff. I called several of the lower price people and they did not inspire confidence with me. As you said its not a complicated piece.
I personally am glad you are undertaking this project, because it will inevitably be a learning experience for you. If you are kind enough to share these experiences with the board (and/or other boards), it can become a learning experience for us as well.98sr20ve said:I simple stated that I was going to be making some of my own. They will suit my desires better then the others (except the JIC which are just too expensive). I will be making more then one set but I have local buyers who want some as well.
As for the clientele for your product, why stop at local guys? If you make a quality product that you can sell for a reasonable price, I might be interested to try it as well. One of the best ways to make the most effective use of manufacturing money is to make a batch after all, in that you save time (and thus money) from repetition between part production. Does this make sense? If not, I can explain further.
Shift_Munky said:I'm not sure that you can generalize like that. I think it depends on the carbon or (in the case of chromoly) molybdenum content of the alloy. Aluminum can also be strengthened by other means, including forging, heat treating, and cryogenic treatment. In a lot of cases the yield strength of aluminum subjected to cryo is a lot closer to some steels than you would think. Chromoly, probably not though. As an interesting side note, I have seen a chromoly tube piece used as an axle on a SAE Mini Baja car, and that thing failed just short of "catastrophic."
Agreed, Aluminum could work very well, For the 160 or less price you would have to assume none of the cheap ones are made that well (forged, etc).
Last I check the JIC where 300. It really bugs me that getting good replacement bearing in metric is such a pain. None of the ones I have found are really that great. If I could find some good ones I would just get the teins and be done with it.Shift_Munky said:Whatever the cost difference between the Tein and JIC, I would think it minor if the JIC saved your life where the Tein might not. Just something to ponder..
Part of it is that I do like making stuff. I will keep everyone posted.Shift_Munky said:I personally am glad you are undertaking this project, because it will inevitably be a learning experience for you. If you are kind enough to share these experiences with the board (and/or other boards), it can become a learning experience for us as well.
As for the clientele for your product, why stop at local guys? If you make a quality product that you can sell for a reasonable price, I might be interested to try it as well. One of the best ways to make the most effective use of manufacturing money is to make a batch after all, in that you save time (and thus money) from repetition between part production. Does this make sense? If not, I can explain further.
I like to make stuff too, which is why I plan to eventually make a fan shroud to use my Permacool fan, among other things.
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