(The unloved 200SX SE-R that arrived in 1995 wasn't much of a replacement.)

SmoothDaddyFig · Sep 7, 2001

Thats what this article from Car and Driver says about the SE-R.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/2001/September/200109_preview_nissansentra.xml?&ID=Beyond/xp/Caranddriver/features/2001/September/200109_preview_nissansentra.x ml&page=1

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Soupaflie · Sep 7, 2001

I like mine just fine.

MaddMatt · Sep 7, 2001

[flameproof suit on] When you replace/update a car model, it should be at least as good if not better than the one it replaced (example: Miata). I suppose some automotive writers felt the 200SX was a step backwards.[/flameproof suit off]

On the other hand, it did seem to sell as well if not better than the original, so perhaps they were full of ****?

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92 SE-R from Heck

"What have you DONE to that thing..." - stranger at Rockingham dragway 5/18/01
"Where's the turbo?" - stranger at the 1st autocross of 2000 where my SE-R debuted
"That thing is a goddamn rocket ship. I'm not lifting for you on the straights anymore!" -Karl Shultz, Rockingham 4/27/01
"What in the hell have you done since I drove it last?" -David Stone, Rockingham 4/27/01

skyliner · Sep 7, 2001

<<Puts on fire proof,undies,socks,gloves,etc.>> IMO The 200sx is a poor replacement for the Sentra SE-R since it wasn't even called a Sentra. But amazingly looks like a Sentra with only 2 doors . I think Nissan should not tried to 'revive' the 200sx plate and just called it a Sentra SE-R. The 200sx is more refined than my '91 but I like the ruff edges.

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'92 Sentra XE
SHUT UP AND DRIVE!!!!

eric96ser · Sep 7, 2001

The Sentra didn't sell good at all. Nissan was trying to give the new SE-R a sportier name, like the 240SX and 300ZX. Nissan tried the race car qualities in the B13, and people didn't want that, at least not people like us. The B14s may not have quite as mich power as the B13s, but this was due to increased emission regulations. Also, the 200 was given power goodies, because that's what people in the late '90s want, if not expect in that price range. The first half of the '90s is completely different from the second half. Hell look at the '80s. The first half had shitty cars, by the second half, the car industry did almost a 180. Nissan was also in penny pinching mode when the B14s came out, They were trying to make more parts common between models. Each model has its good and bad. If you don't like the B14, then don't buy one.

Jay Hass · Sep 7, 2001

Originally posted by SmoothDaddyFig:
Thats what this article from Car and Driver says about the SE-R.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/2001/September/200109_preview_nissansentra.xml?&ID=Beyond/xp/Caranddriver/features/2001/September/200109_preview_nissanse ntra.x ml&page=1

Hmm, too bad the B14 pulled a better slalom mph than the classic. See Motortrends test.

Who cares what they say, both cars are great and equally capable IMO. My B14 went VERY fast/Quick.

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B14 Turbo 409whp (Sold)
91 TSi 11.80's for under 5 grand including the car.

Stiletto · Sep 7, 2001

didn't the 200 exist in the 80's along w/ the B12? bach then it was a poor mans 300zx. i think nissan just capitalized on the opportunity to produce two cars w/ the same parts. it wouldn't be the first time i.e., VW Jetta/Golf, Nissan Frontier/Xterra, Chevy Cavalier/Pontiac Sunfire, etc.

eric96ser · Sep 7, 2001

Originally posted by Stiletto:
didn't the 200 exist in the 80's along w/ the B12? bach then it was a poor mans 300zx. i think nissan just capitalized on the opportunity to produce two cars w/ the same parts. it wouldn't be the first time i.e., VW Jetta/Golf, Nissan Frontier/Xterra, Chevy Cavalier/Pontiac Sunfire, etc.

The older 200SX was a S11 and S12. It was replaced by the S13 240SX.

brian · Sep 7, 2001

yep, yep, yep, even though the b13 did evolve out of the b12, and the b14 has nothing to do with the s12, but the s12 does have a v6 from the 300z in there. so ya, nissan did that too back then...

Storm88000 · Sep 7, 2001

Bah, I know nothing of it. I do not understand what is so "unloved" about the B14 in terms of the automotive media. They're mostly the same except the B14 has more options and maybe different colors. True the suspension is different, but not neccassarily for the worse.

I am being as un-biased as I can here, as I've owned both two B13's (93 XE and 91 SE-R) and my current B14.

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'98 SE(R) w/ HS CAI, HS G3 Header, Custom 2.25" Exhaust, JWT S4 Cams, UR Pulleys, KYB AGX's, Eibach Spings, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, ES control arm bushings & shifter bushing (NI), Brembo X-Drilled Rotors w/ Axxis MM Pads, 205/50 Pirelli P700z's

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JimR · Sep 7, 2001

Putting the comment in C&D under a microscope doesn't carry to the general. It was the words of one author, making a generalization to fit the span of a parenthetical statement.

"Unloved" and "not much of a replacement" are not kind words, but I can see how they made it to print.

The article was about the new SE-R, not the 200SX. If the author had time for history, he would have probably mentioned how the 200SX SE-R was a decent car, but didn't have the intangible "edge" that many auto journalists perceived the original SE-R as having.

The dry technical merits of B13 vs. B14 have been dragged out into the back alleys of the Internet, with no clear "winner." Yet no number of wedgies and no amount of crying can deny that the Classic SE-R creates certain impressions for certain people that a B14 cannot satisfy. In haste, an author might take that as a weakness and make a non-flattering claim...

Like 200SX SE-Rs are slow and unmanly.

Guest · Sep 9, 2001

one good thing about the 200 is that they are not as old as the classic. our classics are at the age where major repairs and rust begins to set in.

nj1266 · Sep 9, 2001

Isn't it ironic that the 200SX when moded puts more power than the classic.

Who has the most powerful blot-on SE-R? Ray Kawski with his 98 SE, a four door 200SX. Next is my 200SX w/o the ECU and it put 147 hp. That was also on a dyno with heavy rollers. The 200SX stock has even better slalom, and lateral g numbers than the Classic SE-R.

Yep it looks like the 200SX is not a worthy replacemnt

****ing journalist. They do anything to hype a new car so it can sell.

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Fast 1998 SE-R Last of the SE-Rs
Slow 1996 G20 (AGXs/G20t springs, K&N drop in filter)

Jay Hass · Sep 9, 2001

Originally posted by nj1266:
Who has the most powerful blot-on SE-R? Ray Kawski with his 98 SE, a four door 200SX. Next is my 200SX w/o the ECU and it put 147 hp. That was also on a dyno with heavy rollers. The 200SX stock has even better slalom, and lateral g numbers than the Classic SE-R.

Craig Damaschi put down 152hp on the same heavy roller dyno pulling in *4th* gear not third like most others do NA for a few more ponies.

His longblock is stock as a rock with JUN 264's.

Looks like your are misinformed yet again.

Life goes beyond the mailing list.

[This message has been edited by Jay Hass (edited 09-09-2001).]

shadowboy · Sep 9, 2001

Originally posted by Stiletto:
didn't the 200 exist in the 80's along w/ the B12? bach then it was a poor mans 300zx. i think nissan just capitalized on the opportunity to produce two cars w/ the same parts. it wouldn't be the first time i.e., VW Jetta/Golf, Nissan Frontier/Xterra, Chevy Cavalier/Pontiac Sunfire, etc.

the 1980s 200SX shares ABSOLUTELY nothing with the B14 200SX other than the name

the 1980s 200SX was what the 240SX replaced
its based on the silvia chassis, not the sentra chassis

the mid-late 80s 200SX was an S12 chassis vehicle

it was also a crappy car

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1989 Acura Integra LS
1997 200SX SE-R
1973 Super Beetle

Next car:
AE86 Corolla GT-S

nj1266 · Sep 10, 2001

Originally posted by Jay Hass:
Craig Damaschi put down 152hp on the same heavy roller dyno pulling in *4th* gear not third like most others do NA for a few more ponies.

So Mike K. is a cheater!!! Is that what you are implying?? Please make sure that you tell him that.

His longblock is stock as a rock with JUN 264's.

JUN is God

Too bad they cost more money than comparable JWT cams.

Looks like your are misinformed yet again.

Thank you, oh great one, for correcting me. Now go build another car, run out of money, and then sell it.

Life goes beyond the mailing list.

I am not on the mailing list

It is too anal a list to be on.

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Fast 1998 SE-R Last of the SE-Rs
Slow 1996 G20 (AGXs/G20t springs, K&N drop in filter)

Storm88000 · Sep 10, 2001

Oh ****, the hostility just blew up in here.

Points for Naji. Sorry Jay but I don't see any reason to put Naj down on his post about Ray's car. I know Craig is your friend and he's a totally cool guy for the times I met him, but I don't think Naji meant it as any kind of attack.

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'98 SE(R) w/ HS CAI, HS G3 Header, Custom 2.25" Exhaust, JWT S4 Cams, UR Pulleys, KYB AGX's, Eibach Spings, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, ES control arm bushings & shifter bushing (NI), Brembo X-Drilled Rotors w/ Axxis MM Pads, 205/50 Pirelli P700z's

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[This message has been edited by Storm88000 (edited 09-09-2001).]

97 Black SER · Sep 10, 2001

What did ray dyno at anyways? I always hear everyone saying **** about he has the fastest bolt on car and all this ****. I kinda doubt that since craig beat him on the highway, and was all over rays ass at the track. Ray was cool about it though, just cut craig off and still hasn't admitted craigs car pulled his on the highway.

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97 Super Black 200sx SE-R
Hotshot CAI, custom 2.5" catback with dynomax super turbo muffler, Hotshot header, UR pulleys (2 set), JWT ECU, Stillen FSB, Courtesy RSB, V-Racing Buzz seat with custom seat bracket, JUN CAMS (264's 10.5mm lift)

Jay Hass · Sep 10, 2001

Originally posted by nj1266:
So Mike K. is a cheater!!! Is that what you are implying?? Please make sure that you tell him that.

Where does it say that? Oh wait, that's right, in your world the truth doesn't matter, just your agenda. I forgot, my apologies.

Mike found that the cars load down a little too much in 4th gear NA and have the tendancy to pull some timing out. Third gear gives a better, more accurate number. Mike dyno's all his cars in 3rd gear NA and it nets a few more hp.

Craig didn't know this and did his pull in 4th. I'm sure he will pull 154-155hp in third.

JUN is God Too bad they cost more money than comparable JWT cams.

You get what you pay for. Obviously the JUN264 cams make more power than the Wolf S4 cams, even though the JWT specs are more agressive. The quality of the billet is in another league. I'm sorry to say that but it's true. I ran the JWT cams myself but the JUN 264 cams are superior for a bolt on NA car than the S3-S4 cams from what I can see. The Dyno proves this as well.

Thank you, oh great one, for correcting me.

No problem, you should be used to it by now.

Now go build another car, run out of money, and then sell it

There you go spreading lies again. Who said I ran out of money? I'll say it again because you are thick and don't care about truth and integrity.

I *wanted* to sell the car. If you recall I posted a for sale message, then changed my mind and made another post about not selling it for stated price. I got an out-of-the-blue offer that was way over the original asking price and decided to sell it. It was an educated decision, not one made out of desperation.

I lost NOTHING, in fact I think I came out ahead a few dollars.

I invested money into my company, bought a new Jeep for cash and STILL have a nice looking well running turbo car that would spank yours all over any track in any contest of speed for less than the total sum of your mods alone.

Who's the ass?

I am not on the mailing list It is too anal a list to be on.

Translation: "Everyone hates me on the list and I got sick of being flamed. Besides, Larry was about to ban me."

I think you are the only person I have ever seen have a personal virous made for them on purpose just to piss you off for being such an asshole. LOL

Jordan, this goes beyond this message. I know I got on your butt in that last message so I suppose you have the right to say something about this pissing match.

[This message has been edited by Jay Hass (edited 09-10-2001).]

Storm88000 · Sep 10, 2001

Originally posted by 97 Black SER:
What did ray dyno at anyways? I always hear everyone saying **** about he has the fastest bolt on car and all this ****. I kinda doubt that since craig beat him on the highway, and was all over rays ass at the track. Ray was cool about it though, just cut craig off and still hasn't admitted craigs car pulled his on the highway.

Ray has the following mods: PR CAI, HS g3 header, Greddy exhaust, JWT s3 cams, JWT s3/s4 ECU. Those mods put him at 150hp on the dyno. He is currently accumulating turbo parts for the car. Last I heard he was waiting for some stuff to be coated or something, IIRC.

Rays car does put out a pretty high amount of HP, considering he doesn't even have UR pulleys and has the pretty mild S3 cams.

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'98 SE(R) w/ HS CAI, HS G3 Header, Custom 2.25" Exhaust, JWT S4 Cams, UR Pulleys, KYB AGX's, Eibach Spings, Courtesy F&R STB's, ES Mounts, ES control arm bushings & shifter bushing (NI), Brembo X-Drilled Rotors w/ Axxis MM Pads, 205/50 Pirelli P700z's

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(The unloved 200SX SE-R that arrived in 1995 wasn't much of a replacement.)

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