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Please don't take this as a slam, because I too own a NX2000, but I have wondered why people soup up 4cly cars, rather than just getting a car with a 6 or an 8? I bought my NX to replace my 90 Camaro. The NX is nice, but it is no Camaro in looks or performance. It seems to me that any 300hp rear drive car will trounce a 200hp front drive in handling and acceleration.
 

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are u serious?? dude, ur comparing apples to oranges. Your 90 camaro was nothing but a straight line muscle car (if it was the z28 or iroc) that didnt have any styling, finesse, grace or appeal either on the inside or the outside of the car. In terms of performance...your 90 camaro actually has numbers in straight line acceleration that are similar to the nx2000. Car and driver has this car tested doing 0-60 in 6.9 seconds...with a 15.3-15.5 quarter mile...not to mention the fact that the camaro weighs more then 3000 pounds and handles like a boat...the nx2000 was rated as one of the best handling cars in production during its whole life span between 91-93. If you didnt want a 4cyl car then you should have stayed with your camaro. Nobody said you had to mod out your nx2000, but if i were you, i would be grateful you have such a rare car that is the true definition of what a 2+2 sports coupe should be.

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I agree with everything NismoNx2000 said. I would also like to point out that the older camaros were put together like crap. One of my friends had one with a V8 and it felt like the thing was going to shake apart every time he started it up. The camaro is really a car built around an engine.

As for why we mod 4-cylinders. My reason is that it is fun. I like working on cars and it is fun to add a mod and feel or hear the difference. Plus, it's fun to own a car that handles so well and redlines so high. My NX sees redline every time I drive it! Hell, I bounce off the rev limiter in my Miata because I'm so used to the higher redline in the NX!

Where in Elgin do you live? My parents still live there. They are over on the west side by Randall Rd. I lived out there for most of my life. I graduated from Larkin in '94 (Am I getting old?)


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If I could afford to import an R34 Skyline GTR, I'd be driving that. But when I was looking at cars I wanted a dependable car that was good on gas(Import/30mpg), good handling(I'm not going to drive a skiddish rear drive car in the middle of winter in wisconsin), good power(pocket rocket with stock 140hp aint bad), and reasonable insurance. I got all four in my NX, plus I got a car that's rare (rather than a grand am/escort/cavalier/contour/civic 'I'm a clone' car).Not to mention a car thats easier to find parking spots for. Also I like my cars more aerodynamic(I don't care for squareish cars). I don't think the camaro has a .32 drag coefficient. The NX's styling may have been akward at the time, but it was ahead of its time with it's fastegg style. Granted, the camaro has it's advantages, but when I was looking for a car this was my choice.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by keithert:
Please don't take this as a slam, because I too own a NX2000, but I have wondered why people soup up 4cly cars, rather than just getting a car with a 6 or an 8? I bought my NX to replace my 90 Camaro. The NX is nice, but it is no Camaro in looks or performance. It seems to me that any 300hp rear drive car will trounce a 200hp front drive in handling and acceleration.</font>
Okay... I won't take it as a slam... However, I will turn around and ask you the same question: "What's the point of modifying a 6 or an 8? Most cars with 6 and 8 cylinder engines are heavy and won't corner better than a lighter 4-cylinder with a similar suspension set-up." See... You can turn around to anyone and ask "What's the point" regardless of whether it's about modifying 4-cylinder engines, drag racing, road racing, autocrossing, etc... What *is* the point of all that? The answer is simple: Preference.

People prefer a certain thing to another and there would be different reasons for that. Just because a 300hp RWD car will beat out a 200hp FWD car in any contest of speed doesn't mean everyone's going to flock over to that 300hp car.

I picked my 200SX simply because I liked it. I liked the way it looks, and the car is just simply fun to drive (fun-factor is just hard to explain.) Sure, it may not have the power, but it's fun (small and capable) at the same time practical (good gas mileage.)

Since the 200SX is my street car, I wanted to get a second car to turn in to a race car. Drag racing isn't my thing so I looked to other forms of racing that interested me, and autocrossing and road racing were the two. I looked at the sanctioning bodies that run autocrossing and road racing events (notably SCCA and NASA) and I wanted to pick a car in which I can autocross with, at the same time do some competitive wheel-to-wheel road racing. I chose to stick with a FWD car because they are simply easier to drive and more forgiving, not to mention a compact car would be more affordable. I figured that another SR20-powered car was in order since I knew enough about them already given my experience with my 200SX. So, it came down to the Sentra SE-R and NX2000. I chose the NX2000 mainly because it comes with larger front brakes over the SE-R. Sure, I could have gotten the SE-R and then upgrade to the NX brakes, but that would automatically throw me into a higher car category than the class I would want to compete with. The Street Prepared category (Solo2/Autocross) and Improved Touring category (SCCA Club Racing) does not require extensive engine mods, rather, the focus was more towards safety, chassis preparation, and suspension.

Power-to-weight ratio is more prevalent here than overall displacement/power. I would rather have, for example, a 1900lb, 140hp car over a 300hp, 3000lb. Sure the car with more power still has the better power-to-weight ratio, but wouldn't be able to carry as much speed through the corners as the 1900lb car would.

So bascially it all comes down to preference. "To each his own," as the old cliche goes. Doesn't matter than there's something better than what one prefers... Regardless of reason, they will prefer what they want, and because they want/prefer it is reason enough.

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I have to agree with that as well....It is very true that everyone has there own preference and therefore thats what makes our choices different and our likes and dislikes different too. Most importantly its all about driving a car that you love to drive and love to look at and love to wax and clean and of course love to mod to feel a difference. So, go ahead and mod your v6 or v8 which you seem to prefer and when you take me one on one in a straight line, you better beware, because i will come back even stronger in the turns where my lighter 4 cylinder, which i prefer, is at its prime.

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You guys made some very good points, I don't have the NX but I have a classic and people always say why a little 4cyl, I always reply with; why not be different and go with something that is not a V8 or a Honda. I love the response my 92' has and the way it can handle the mountian curves..Don't get me wrong I love the V8's, I have 54'Chevy 210 2dr that I have a 63'327 waiting to get dropped in. It is not going to be a track monster but it will get up and go.*****Bottom line, it is all about what stirrs your boat..my .02

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by keithert:
Please don't take this as a slam, because I too own a NX2000, but I have wondered why people soup up 4cly cars, rather than just getting a car with a 6 or an 8? I bought my NX to replace my 90 Camaro. The NX is nice, but it is no Camaro in looks or performance. It seems to me that any 300hp rear drive car will trounce a 200hp front drive in handling and acceleration.</font>
You answered your own question, to replace you Camaro. If you were a diehard F body fan you would have bought another Camaro. As far as trounce on a 4 cyl, given time and direction you will learn to appreciate the NX even more. BTW, if you were running boost you would absolutely kill a Camnaro of that vintage.
 

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It's all about taste. The Camaro can go much better than the NX, and dollar-for-dollar upgrades on a V8-powerred car will always be slanted against 4-cylinders. In handling, as well, those vintage Camaros are definitely not slouches, and although the NX may be a bit better in certain areas, both can be made awesome handlers with a little $$$. But the NX is not without attributes... it's fuel-efficient, cheap to register and practical, as well as close to '80s f-bodies in straight-line acceleration and handling. To me, the slight trade-off for all the extra practicality (and, say, the ability to actually be able to DRIVE my car in winter
) was worth it, and like I said, we don't give up much as much as you'd think in straight-line performance to ponycars. Upgrade for upgrade it's well behind, but hey, I don't think I'll be doubling my car's horsepower any time soon...
 

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Man, that really started a heated discussion! I bought the NX 3 years ago because my wife's 89 Accord with 180K was due for replacing. She never liked to drive the Camaro because of how big it was and had been bugging me to sell it because it was a third car. I thought the NX would be a good replacement for the Camaro. As a commuter car the NX serves its purpose and it is fun with the T-tops out. It is just that it feels like a cheap car. Mine rides rough and with the automatic doesn't get up and go at low RPM's like the Camaro did. I have had the CV joints, the shocks and struts and the rear rotors replaced hoping to make it ride better. My next step is to replace the tires. I also want to try advancing the timing to see if that helps with responsiveness. We recently bought another Accord, so the NX or my 94 Eagle Summit (Mitsu Mirage) will become my full time driver. I'm leaning toward keeping the NX, but the Summit runs and rides better. I just don't really want to have 2 sedans. I am glad that I found this forum. I hope to solve some of the things I haven't liked about the NX through the collective wisdom of the forum.
 

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It sounds like we have two different cars dude... or I guess I'm just lucky


The suspension of our cars is naturally set "firm", but I can't see it having an objectionable ride quality next to your old Camaro. My uncle's old 5.0LX rode much, much harsher. I can't see an enthusiast being able to complain about the ride quality, especially if you've had a taste of that handling! My car, with 185/70R-14 all-season crap rubber, can still take offramps and turns at twice the posted speed limits, and it just picks up and goes coming out of turns. I think it's time to replace some of those suspension components... the tires are probably next in line. But like I said, even with the worst tires imaginable, my NX is still an ace handler, and it was SO much fun to beat on at an autocross...

You naturally can't expect your NX to get up and go like an old Camaro, but I'm thinking that some tuning would make you happier with its' performance. Try cleaning the throttle body, advancing the timing to 15 degrees (watch for detonation), and make sure it's tuned-up. The SR20DE is reknowned for its' throttle-responsiveness, and compacts have as broad of powerbands.

Good luck, and enjoy that car...
 

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Why mod a 4cyl car? Because you can make it fast, and it can be a very competitive sport! Big domestic muscle and 4cyl import are 2 different classes. You don't hear Michael Schumacher dissing British Touring Car drivers because he thinks they're cars are slow compared to his F1. Apples to oranges like NismoNx2000 says.

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Okay, my $0.02:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">but I have wondered why people soup up 4cly cars, rather than just getting a car with a 6 or an 8?</font>
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Anyone can have a fast V8. But not everyone can build a fast 4 cyl. I personally like modding 4 cyl. cars, because I see it as a challenge.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It seems to me that any 300hp rear drive car will trounce a 200hp front drive in handling and acceleration.</font>
You sure about that? That 200HP FWD car will have a power to weight ratio that's close to what the 300hp V8 has.
And don't forget about the 300+HP daily driven SE-R's. Recently, I personally witnessed Chris "Shaggy" Allen put down 460HP to the wheels! Now he's at 490HP! In a daily driven 200SX SE-R. Don't believe me, ask RollCage.

Bottom line, it's your car and your money.


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Cars are a personal taste thing as well. While I'm by no means a domestic hater, and I'm into a broad array of different cars, I definitely wouldn't feel right behind the wheel of a '90 Camaro. It's just not me. The NX, OTOH, is not only a better fit for my lifestyle, but also my personality...

Apples to oranges, to each his own, yadda yadda yadda...
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by keithert:
Mine rides rough and with the automatic doesn't get up and go at low RPM's like the Camaro did.</font>
BINGO! it's the a/t that really hurts your performance. test drive an sr20 with a 5 speed and you'll understand.
 

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thats it, the auto is what the problem is, there is nothing like driving the 5spd sr20de tranny and engine and the clutch feel is amazing too...personally, i think you just dont deserve the nx2000. I know it may sound silly, but the nx2000 has a certain following that comes with it...a certain appreciation that goes along with the car. I guarantee you most of the people on this forum didnt just buy there nx2000 to buy another car to drive...they bought it because of what it is, and what it can be and of how rare it is. You should sell your nx2000 as far as im concerened...let someone who has been looking for one for months or even years get yours because its the desire of there heart and they really truly want an nx2000 and only an nx2000. Those are the people who can truly appreciate the car for what it is.

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Why do you guys call these cars rare? On average I see another one every 1-2 days on my way to work in Chicagoland. If someone wants to trade me for a 93 Camaro or Firebird with t-tops let me know. I don't hate my NX, I just don't think its a sports car. It is more of an econo-box.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by keithert:
Why do you guys call these cars rare? On average I see another one every 1-2 days on my way to work in Chicagoland. If someone wants to trade me for a 93 Camaro or Firebird with t-tops let me know. I don't hate my NX, I just don't think its a sports car. It is more of an econo-box.</font>
I don't believe any of us here have *ever* considered the NX2000 to be a sports car. Econo-box? Definitely! One really fun and practical econo-box, that is.

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I think we use the term rare as in comparison to say, a grand am, civic, cavalier, escort, contour, etc, etc.
I have seen one other NX2000 in my area, one per 100,000 cars seems pretty rare to me.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Why do you guys call these cars rare?</font>
IIRC, the production numbers were only 3000 units per production year. Which is why we say NXen are rare.
Personally if I drive around all day I might see one or two.
But I can't drive down the street without seeing a half dozen Camaros, m*stangs and at least 20 Civics.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Econo-box? Definitely!</font>
Nah. That would be the NX1600.

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